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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: energy in UK
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:49:06 +0200
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On 4/14/25 22:32, john larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:52:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/14/25 16:40, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 11:58:43 +0100, Martin Brown
>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/04/2025 06:23, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> On 13/04/2025 4:16 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/10/uk_ai_energy_council_meets/
>>>>
>>>> They are on another planet. UK energy prices are sky high to the extent
>>>> that making steel profitable here is completely impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>> The UK still suffers from an old decision to base it's civil service on
>>>>> a misunderstood version of the Chinese civil service.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately you are right about that.
>>>>
>>>> Each successive NESO Electricity Ten Year Statement (ETSY) report gets
>>>> more and more fanciful about how Net Zero will be achieved. The
>>>> important  technical content also disappears with each successive annual
>>>> revision. Millibrain is being told it is all going very well.
>>>>
>>>> They have taken to hiding old ones so you can't compare actuality with
>>>> prediction (unless you have taken the precaution of downloading them).
>>>>
>>>>> Chinese orthography is horrible and it took a lot of effort for anybody
>>>>> to get literate and stay literate. Entry to the Chinese civil service
>>>>> depended on proving that you could read and write, and any other
>>>>> expertise was secondary.
>>>>>
>>>>> The UK imagined that the candidates were being tested for pure
>>>>> intellectual power. Being able to read and write English wasn't
>>>>> difficult enough to test this, so they tested for competence in Latin
>>>>> and Greek.
>>>>
>>>> They do have a few scientists and engineers in parliament but they are
>>>> never given any significant roles. The joke at my university was why be
>>>> a scientist (or engineer) when you can be a scientist's boss.
>>>> Beancounters and lawyers rule the roost.
>>>>
>>>>> Science was despised - the civil service formula was scientist on tap,
>>>>> not on top. When it comes to technical matters like generating and
>>>>> distributing electric power cheaply, the English are still behind the
>>>>> game, because the crucial choices are still made by some classically
>>>>> educated mandarin who doesn't understand the problems in any detail.
>>>>
>>>> It is worse than that. They have fanciful schemes that will get us to
>>>> net zero but only in their crazed imagination! The small problem of the
>>>> laws of physics and in particular conservation of energy get in the way.
>>>>
>>>> The UK has an insane imbalance between production of power in the North
>>>> and consumption of power in London and the South East. The main cables
>>>> running N-S are routinely overloaded during daytime during winter.
>>>>
>>>> Page 6 of this mess shows the effects of the next decade of "improvements".
>>>> Page 33 shows the pinch point at Thermal Boundary 7a
>>>>
>>>> https://www.neso.energy/document/352001/download
>>>>
>>>> The pages that used to show locality and seasonal overloading of the
>>>> network have been conveniently redacted form the 2024 edition.
>>>
>>> Radical improvements in fiberoptics, and cheap satellites, have hugely
>>> reduced the cost to transport data. But AI has hugely increased the
>>> energy requirement of computing.
>>> [...]
>>
>> ... which again confirms my rule that any resource perceived to be
>> cheap and abundant will be wasted until it becomes scarce and expensive.
>>
>> Jeroen Belleman
> 
> I can't think of an example of that rule.
> 

I just gave you one.

Jeroen Belleman