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From: bart <bc@freeuk.com>
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Subject: Re: Loops (was Re: do { quit; } else { })
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 17:42:24 +0100
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On 15/04/2025 17:22, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 15.04.2025 16:30, bart wrote:
>> On 15/04/2025 14:33, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-15, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>     * Not having to write the variable 3 times (with C not always being
>>>>       able to detect if they didn't match)
>>>
>>> This is indeed a source of errors in C nested loops.
>>
>> According to Janis Papanagnou, it is 100% the programmer's fault. There
>> is nothing wrong with the language!
> 
> No, there is nothing wrong with the language if you make such errors.
> 
> The programmer selects (or constructs) the algorithm, the language has
> clear semantics for such simple loop constructs without any irregular
> or hidden semantics, and the programmer's task is to know the elements
> of the language and transfer the algorithm to a correct coding. - It's
> self-delusion if you try to blame the language for the mistakes you do.

Suppose you have two ways A and B to implement a feature in a language.

You find that those using A tend to make twice as many mistakes in that 
feature, and have more undetectable bugs, as those who use B.

Your job is to choose which of A and B to keep.

Would your decision completely ignore such findings?