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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: No more gatrade
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:29:35 -0400
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On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks
>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
>>>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be
>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
>>>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun
>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I
>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
>>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
>>>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>
>>>>> My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago
>>>>> Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20
>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using
>>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this
>>>>> stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race
>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what  happens.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and
>>>>> worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the
>>>>> heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40
>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the
>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and
>>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
>>>>> differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I
>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created
>>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and
>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
>>>>
>>>> Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty
>>>> much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to
>>>> puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
>>>>
>>>> *In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
>>>>
>>>> It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising
>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut
>>>> training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
>>>>
>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
>>>> #:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after
>>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then
>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking
>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171  pounds. During the race of
>>>>> course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
>>>>>
>>>>> No gatorade.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The
>>>> original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the
>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more
>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty
>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to
>>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar
>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These
>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically
>>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from
>>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of
>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
>>>>
>>>> For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water
>>>> (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a
>>>> triathlon forum  I make at home.
>>>>
>>>> Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
>>>> - 1/4 cup of honey
>>>> - 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
>>>> - 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
>>>> products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
>>>>
>>>> Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a
>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite
>>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the
>>>> sugar.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
>>
>> No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like
>> that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for
>> uptake while exercising.>
>>
>>
> I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release
> sugars, 

Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related 
to "gut training" noted above).

The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited 
within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual. 
REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your 
system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite 
athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity 
sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix, 
for example).

https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour


though I generally don’t take it seriously enough and rely on my
> generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m
> certainly much much better if I do!
> 
> Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any
> kit!
> 
> Roger Merriman
> 


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