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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: No more gatrade
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:59:32 -0500
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On 4/16/2025 4:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/16/2025 4:56 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks
>>>>>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be
>>>>>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
>>>>>>>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun
>>>>>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I
>>>>>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
>>>>>>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
>>>>>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
>>>>>>>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago
>>>>>>>>> Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20
>>>>>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using
>>>>>>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this
>>>>>>>>> stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race
>>>>>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what  happens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and
>>>>>>>>> worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the
>>>>>>>>> heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40
>>>>>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the
>>>>>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and
>>>>>>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
>>>>>>>>> differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I
>>>>>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created
>>>>>>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and
>>>>>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty
>>>>>>>> much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to
>>>>>>>> puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising
>>>>>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut
>>>>>>>> training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
>>>>>>>> #:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after
>>>>>>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then
>>>>>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking
>>>>>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171  pounds. During the race of
>>>>>>>>> course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No gatorade.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The
>>>>>>>> original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the
>>>>>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more
>>>>>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty
>>>>>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to
>>>>>>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar
>>>>>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These
>>>>>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically
>>>>>>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from
>>>>>>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of
>>>>>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water
>>>>>>>> (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a
>>>>>>>> triathlon forum  I make at home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
>>>>>>>> - 1/4 cup of honey
>>>>>>>> - 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
>>>>>>>> - 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
>>>>>>>> products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a
>>>>>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite
>>>>>>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the
>>>>>>>> sugar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like
>>>>>> that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for
>>>>>> uptake while exercising.>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release
>>>>> sugars,
>>>>
>>>> Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related
>>>> to "gut training" noted above).
>>>>
>>>> The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited
>>>> within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual.
>>>> REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your
>>>> system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite
>>>> athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity
>>>> sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix,
>>>> for example).
>>>>
>>>> https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour
>>>>
>>> My main issue really is I don’t like the gels etc or at least the ones I’ve
>>> tried so tend to use real food or breakfast bars etc so at best 30g a hour
>>> or so.
>>>
>>> Just back from evening Gravel loop plus pub with folks, which though I took
>>> on fluid tend to use a squash
>>
>> "squash"? I had to google the british usage. In 'murica squash is a
>> vegetable.
> 
> Tiz both in UK drink and a vegetable!
>>
>>> so some sugars though not much, and once the
>>> roadies are on the Summer loop which means they get to the pub a hour
>>> earlier does mean one needs to a fairly quick loop, 13/14 mph average
>>> compared to the more normal 11mph ish, over park paths/rooty single track
>>> and so on.
>>>>
>>>> though I generally don’t take it seriously enough and rely on my
>>>>> generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m
>>>>> certainly much much better if I do!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any
>>>>> kit!
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>>
>>
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