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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: No more gatrade Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:59:32 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 186 Message-ID: <vtp984$357ob$1@dont-email.me> References: <kqjsvjpo4r12iml268hjrnns06qsc3harr@4ax.com> <61tsvjpq8ndgrlvo3f1hokuc1sfm5rd5eu@4ax.com> <9n3tvjlb5na299gatq3o9a8cognmf1rf4k@4ax.com> <vtmbv6$ccmn$1@dont-email.me> <vtmgf2$eel5$1@dont-email.me> <vtmi4s$ikuo$1@dont-email.me> <vtocj5$2ak14$1@dont-email.me> <m6a0veFshsjU1@mid.individual.net> <vtp3vf$2ak14$4@dont-email.me> <m6ajruFv1lU1@mid.individual.net> <vtp6s7$2ak14$5@dont-email.me> <m6al9lF16n9U1@mid.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 23:59:33 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4a884bacdd9ad8ad431c64dfc7385d85"; logging-data="3317515"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19pzqdUdx0isjXa8QDfrHt4" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:G61ZzYEXXwieSqHctL8iRgjV3es= In-Reply-To: <m6al9lF16n9U1@mid.individual.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 9935 On 4/16/2025 4:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: > Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On 4/16/2025 4:56 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>> Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks >>>>>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do >>>>>>>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be >>>>>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four >>>>>>>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun >>>>>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I >>>>>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with >>>>>>>>>>> water. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> MOstly, I wanted the electrolites. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of >>>>>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter >>>>>>>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> C'est bon >>>>>>>>>> Soloman >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago >>>>>>>>> Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20 >>>>>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using >>>>>>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this >>>>>>>>> stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race >>>>>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what happens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and >>>>>>>>> worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the >>>>>>>>> heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 >>>>>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the >>>>>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and >>>>>>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen >>>>>>>>> differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I >>>>>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created >>>>>>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and >>>>>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty >>>>>>>> much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to >>>>>>>> puke at the sight of it) would have worked. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising >>>>>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut >>>>>>>> training" is the new thing in endurance sports training. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/ >>>>>>>> #:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after >>>>>>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then >>>>>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking >>>>>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of >>>>>>>>> course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No gatorade. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The >>>>>>>> original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the >>>>>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more >>>>>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty >>>>>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to >>>>>>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar >>>>>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These >>>>>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically >>>>>>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from >>>>>>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of >>>>>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water >>>>>>>> (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a >>>>>>>> triathlon forum I make at home. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mix in a 2 qt container of water: >>>>>>>> - 1/4 cup of honey >>>>>>>> - 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate >>>>>>>> - 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/ >>>>>>>> products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a >>>>>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite >>>>>>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the >>>>>>>> sugar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin? >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like >>>>>> that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for >>>>>> uptake while exercising.> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release >>>>> sugars, >>>> >>>> Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related >>>> to "gut training" noted above). >>>> >>>> The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited >>>> within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual. >>>> REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your >>>> system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite >>>> athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity >>>> sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix, >>>> for example). >>>> >>>> https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour >>>> >>> My main issue really is I don’t like the gels etc or at least the ones I’ve >>> tried so tend to use real food or breakfast bars etc so at best 30g a hour >>> or so. >>> >>> Just back from evening Gravel loop plus pub with folks, which though I took >>> on fluid tend to use a squash >> >> "squash"? I had to google the british usage. In 'murica squash is a >> vegetable. > > Tiz both in UK drink and a vegetable! >> >>> so some sugars though not much, and once the >>> roadies are on the Summer loop which means they get to the pub a hour >>> earlier does mean one needs to a fairly quick loop, 13/14 mph average >>> compared to the more normal 11mph ish, over park paths/rooty single track >>> and so on. >>>> >>>> though I generally don’t take it seriously enough and rely on my >>>>> generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m >>>>> certainly much much better if I do! >>>>> >>>>> Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any >>>>> kit! >>>>> >>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Roger Merriman >>> >>> >> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========