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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:39:11 -0500
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On 4/17/2025 3:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:03:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:05:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 20:39:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:42:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/15/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:46:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:20:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 12:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class
>>>>>>>>>> suburban mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft
>>>>>>>>>> left.  (as with any social phenomenon there are of course
>>>>>>>>>> many flavors of opinion and politics)  It was unusual
>>>>>>>>>> before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but snowballed after
>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The anti-vax movement was driven by ignorant anti-
>>>>>>>>> scientists. Yes, it's bounced around the political spectrum,
>>>>>>>>> but the often deliberate ignorance has been and remains
>>>>>>>>> constant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with that.  Wasn't helped by deliberate lies
>>>>>>>> and not only by Wakefield.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I submitted to two doses of the Covid "vaccine," and then I realised
>>>>>>> that the jackass who was directing it (Fauci) and all the other scams
>>>>>>> (masks and six foot spaces) was partially responsible for creating
>>>>>>> Covid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strange isn't it. The vigorous enforcement, of exactly the same rules,
>>>>>> that you describe, were blamed for Thailand's rather amazingly low
>>>>>> Covid rates and deaths..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> U.S.  Total cases per 1 million population - 337,912
>>>>>>             Total Deaths per 1 M population       - 3685
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thailand Total cases per 1 million population - 68,069
>>>>>>                     Total deaths per 1 M population - 494
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know but the general rates of obesity, diabetes,
>>>>> heart disease are dramatically different between our
>>>>> countries and all those associate with deleterious outcomes
>>>>> with viral infections. Maybe significant, maybe not.
>>>>
>>>> Given the overwhelming enthusiasm -  there is no other word for it -
>>>> in doing everything possible to "fight" the disease I'm inclined to
>>>> believe it was that effort. Even today masks are commonly seen and
>>>> during the epidemic if you weren't wearing a mask people would shake
>>>> their finger at you and say "mask, mask". Shops and stores  checked
>>>> your temperature before you were admitted. Any public seating was
>>>> marked off in 6 foot lines. And all of this wasn't under the gaze of
>>>> some "big boss" it was the common ordinary man on the street enforcing
>>>> the rules.
>>>
>>> Here in Florida the "enthusiasm" lasted for a couple of weeks, and
>>> then most people ignored all the rules and went on with their lives.
>>> There were always a few loonies who mentioned that I wasn't wearing a
>>> mask, but they were easy to ignore and I could move them away by
>>> pretending to cough.  I still see an occasional mask out on the bike
>>> trails miles away from civilization or someone wearing a mask when
>>> they're all alone in their car.
>>>
>>> The whole thing was smoke and mirrors and people getting a thrill out
>>> of giving orders to other people.
>>
>>
>> Florida - cases/M pop - 374,722
>>                  deaths/M pop - 4,433
>>
>> Thailand - cases/M pop - 68,069
>>                    deaths/M pop - 499
> 
> Like I said, there are many factors involved. I don't believe the
> masks and other forced restrictions were much of a factor anywhere.
> Smoke and mirrors.
> 
> Florida had a problem because it's a big travel destination. People
> come here on a vacation from all over the world. They bring their
> diseases and Florida people interact with them. We also have a bunch
> of "snowbirds" who roll in here from northern states and Canada every
> fall.
> 
> As for people getting a thrill out of ordering others around....
> 
> The jackass governor of Minnesota (who was the recent jackass Vice
> Pres candidate) set up a tattle site where people could call in if
> they thought their neighbors had more than the allowed number of
> people in their home. He also had "agents of some sort" traveling
> through neighborhoods with paint guns threatening to shoot at people
> who had not obeyed his curfew orders.
> 
> Had that happened in some places in Florida, somebody would have shot
> back with a real gun.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman

Oh, and 'The Science' which led Governors to leave liquor 
stores and casinos open (tax revenue) while ordering schools 
and churches closed.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971