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On 4/17/2025 7:09 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
> 
>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2025 4:04 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/15/2025 3:27 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>>> Am 15.04.2025 um 02:40 schrieb Radey Shouman:
>>>>>>> zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A direct effect of the anti-vax movement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm in favor of measles vaccination, and never said otherwise.  I
>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>> the vaccine back when it was quite new, and never regretted it.  I
>>>>>>> believe most of the Texas and New Mexico measles cases are among
>>>>>>> Mennonites, who may have a different opinion.  I am not in favor of
>>>>>>> trying to force them to vaccinate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The anti-vax movement used to be the province of wealthy,
>>>>>>> overprivileged, nutty granola types.  Why do you suppose it has
>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>> more widely?
>>>>>> The Anti-vax movement has been strongly linked to the Nazis since
>>>>>> the early 1930's "we cannot have Jewish doctors poison our pure
>>>>>> aryan blood lines".
>>>>>> The "Jewish Domination" Consipracy claims of those times have lived
>>>>>> on in the alt-right movement, just replacing the word "Jewish" by
>>>>>> the word "globalist".  I am absolutely not surprised that the rise
>>>>>> to power of the Alt-Right has given popularity to the Anti-Vaxxers
>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe in Germany, I truly don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class suburban
>>>>> mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft left.  (as with any
>>>>> social phenomenon there are of course many flavors of opinion and
>>>>> politics)  It was unusual before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but
>>>>> snowballed after that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding anti-Semitism, one of the notable groups here resistant to
>>>>> vaccination generally are Hasidim.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forward.com/news/417390/measles-is-hitting-ultra-orthodox-communities-why-arent-they-vaccinating/
>>>>
>>>> This agrees with my US-centric impressions.  Regarding Nazi anti-vax
>>>> feelings, I understand Hitler was a vegetarian.  Maybe all vegetarians
>>>> are secretly Nazis.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A vegetarian nonsmoking teetotaler I might well add.
>>>
>>
>> The brain injury from the 1st world war, is probably more likely if one was
>> going for external influences, that and that Eugenics was popular.
> 
> My point was that I would be amazed to find a person with whom I either
> agreed or disagreed on every particular.  "Nazis liked it, therefore it
> must be bad" is an ad hominem argument.
> 

Or  'Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc'

https://helpfulprofessor.com/post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc-examples/


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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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