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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 22:01:15 -0400
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On 4/17/2025 9:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/17/2025 7:45 PM, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 4/17/2025 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 4/17/2025 7:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:39:11 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/17/2025 3:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:03:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:05:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 20:39:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:42:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:46:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:20:51 -0500, AMuzi 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 12:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suburban mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left.  (as with any social phenomenon there are of course
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many flavors of opinion and politics)  It was unusual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but snowballed after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The anti-vax movement was driven by ignorant anti-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists. Yes, it's bounced around the political spectrum,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the often deliberate ignorance has been and remains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with that.  Wasn't helped by deliberate lies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not only by Wakefield.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted to two doses of the Covid "vaccine," and then I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> realised
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the jackass who was directing it (Fauci) and all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> other scams
>>>>>>>>>>>> (masks and six foot spaces) was partially responsible for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Strange isn't it. The vigorous enforcement, of exactly the 
>>>>>>>>>>> same rules,
>>>>>>>>>>> that you describe, were blamed for Thailand's rather 
>>>>>>>>>>> amazingly low
>>>>>>>>>>> Covid rates and deaths..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> U.S.  Total cases per 1 million population - 337,912
>>>>>>>>>>>              Total Deaths per 1 M population - 3685
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thailand Total cases per 1 million population - 68,069
>>>>>>>>>>>                      Total deaths per 1 M population - 494
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know but the general rates of obesity, diabetes,
>>>>>>>>>> heart disease are dramatically different between our
>>>>>>>>>> countries and all those associate with deleterious outcomes
>>>>>>>>>> with viral infections. Maybe significant, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given the overwhelming enthusiasm -  there is no other word for 
>>>>>>>>> it -
>>>>>>>>> in doing everything possible to "fight" the disease I'm 
>>>>>>>>> inclined to
>>>>>>>>> believe it was that effort. Even today masks are commonly seen and
>>>>>>>>> during the epidemic if you weren't wearing a mask people would 
>>>>>>>>> shake
>>>>>>>>> their finger at you and say "mask, mask". Shops and stores  
>>>>>>>>> checked
>>>>>>>>> your temperature before you were admitted. Any public seating was
>>>>>>>>> marked off in 6 foot lines. And all of this wasn't under the 
>>>>>>>>> gaze of
>>>>>>>>> some "big boss" it was the common ordinary man on the street 
>>>>>>>>> enforcing
>>>>>>>>> the rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here in Florida the "enthusiasm" lasted for a couple of weeks, and
>>>>>>>> then most people ignored all the rules and went on with their 
>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>> There were always a few loonies who mentioned that I wasn't 
>>>>>>>> wearing a
>>>>>>>> mask, but they were easy to ignore and I could move them away by
>>>>>>>> pretending to cough.  I still see an occasional mask out on the 
>>>>>>>> bike
>>>>>>>> trails miles away from civilization or someone wearing a mask when
>>>>>>>> they're all alone in their car.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The whole thing was smoke and mirrors and people getting a 
>>>>>>>> thrill out
>>>>>>>> of giving orders to other people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Florida - cases/M pop - 374,722
>>>>>>>                   deaths/M pop - 4,433
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thailand - cases/M pop - 68,069
>>>>>>>                     deaths/M pop - 499
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said, there are many factors involved. I don't believe the
>>>>>> masks and other forced restrictions were much of a factor anywhere.
>>>>>> Smoke and mirrors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Florida had a problem because it's a big travel destination. People
>>>>>> come here on a vacation from all over the world. They bring their
>>>>>> diseases and Florida people interact with them. We also have a bunch
>>>>>> of "snowbirds" who roll in here from northern states and Canada every
>>>>>> fall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for people getting a thrill out of ordering others around....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The jackass governor of Minnesota (who was the recent jackass Vice
>>>>>> Pres candidate) set up a tattle site where people could call in if
>>>>>> they thought their neighbors had more than the allowed number of
>>>>>> people in their home. He also had "agents of some sort" traveling
>>>>>> through neighborhoods with paint guns threatening to shoot at people
>>>>>> who had not obeyed his curfew orders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Had that happened in some places in Florida, somebody would have shot
>>>>>> back with a real gun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and 'The Science' which led Governors to leave liquor
>>>>> stores and casinos open (tax revenue) while ordering schools
>>>>> and churches closed.
>>>>
>>>> ... Gyms and health clubs closed, too.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>
>>> On that subject, today brings some helpful and hopeful news:
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/rubio-disinformation-russia- china-iran- 
>>> d53d00551a0a57f3114431c624db0b0f
>>>
>>> Government censorship doesn't play well with me.
>>>
>>
>> right, because we need _more_ disinformation. We don't have enough 
>> already.
> 
> 
> I am with Justice Louis Brandeis, 1927:
> 
> "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and 
> fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy 
> to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."
> 
> 
> Justice Kennedy, 2012:
> 
> “the remedy for speech that is false is speech that is true.”

I understand your thinking, and it's a defensible position. But things 
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