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On 4/17/2025 8:39 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/17/2025 3:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:03:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:05:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 20:39:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:42:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:46:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:20:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 12:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class
>>>>>>>>>>> suburban mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft
>>>>>>>>>>> left.  (as with any social phenomenon there are of course
>>>>>>>>>>> many flavors of opinion and politics)  It was unusual
>>>>>>>>>>> before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but snowballed after
>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The anti-vax movement was driven by ignorant anti-
>>>>>>>>>> scientists. Yes, it's bounced around the political spectrum,
>>>>>>>>>> but the often deliberate ignorance has been and remains
>>>>>>>>>> constant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with that.  Wasn't helped by deliberate lies
>>>>>>>>> and not only by Wakefield.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I submitted to two doses of the Covid "vaccine," and then I 
>>>>>>>> realised
>>>>>>>> that the jackass who was directing it (Fauci) and all the other 
>>>>>>>> scams
>>>>>>>> (masks and six foot spaces) was partially responsible for creating
>>>>>>>> Covid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Strange isn't it. The vigorous enforcement, of exactly the same 
>>>>>>> rules,
>>>>>>> that you describe, were blamed for Thailand's rather amazingly low
>>>>>>> Covid rates and deaths..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> U.S.  Total cases per 1 million population - 337,912
>>>>>>>             Total Deaths per 1 M population       - 3685
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thailand Total cases per 1 million population - 68,069
>>>>>>>                     Total deaths per 1 M population - 494
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know but the general rates of obesity, diabetes,
>>>>>> heart disease are dramatically different between our
>>>>>> countries and all those associate with deleterious outcomes
>>>>>> with viral infections. Maybe significant, maybe not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the overwhelming enthusiasm -  there is no other word for it -
>>>>> in doing everything possible to "fight" the disease I'm inclined to
>>>>> believe it was that effort. Even today masks are commonly seen and
>>>>> during the epidemic if you weren't wearing a mask people would shake
>>>>> their finger at you and say "mask, mask". Shops and stores  checked
>>>>> your temperature before you were admitted. Any public seating was
>>>>> marked off in 6 foot lines. And all of this wasn't under the gaze of
>>>>> some "big boss" it was the common ordinary man on the street enforcing
>>>>> the rules.
>>>>
>>>> Here in Florida the "enthusiasm" lasted for a couple of weeks, and
>>>> then most people ignored all the rules and went on with their lives.
>>>> There were always a few loonies who mentioned that I wasn't wearing a
>>>> mask, but they were easy to ignore and I could move them away by
>>>> pretending to cough.  I still see an occasional mask out on the bike
>>>> trails miles away from civilization or someone wearing a mask when
>>>> they're all alone in their car.
>>>>
>>>> The whole thing was smoke and mirrors and people getting a thrill out
>>>> of giving orders to other people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Florida - cases/M pop - 374,722
>>>                  deaths/M pop - 4,433
>>>
>>> Thailand - cases/M pop - 68,069
>>>                    deaths/M pop - 499
>>
>> Like I said, there are many factors involved. I don't believe the
>> masks and other forced restrictions were much of a factor anywhere.
>> Smoke and mirrors.
>>
>> Florida had a problem because it's a big travel destination. People
>> come here on a vacation from all over the world. They bring their
>> diseases and Florida people interact with them. We also have a bunch
>> of "snowbirds" who roll in here from northern states and Canada every
>> fall.
>>
>> As for people getting a thrill out of ordering others around....
>>
>> The jackass governor of Minnesota (who was the recent jackass Vice
>> Pres candidate) set up a tattle site where people could call in if
>> they thought their neighbors had more than the allowed number of
>> people in their home. He also had "agents of some sort" traveling
>> through neighborhoods with paint guns threatening to shoot at people
>> who had not obeyed his curfew orders.
>>
>> Had that happened in some places in Florida, somebody would have shot
>> back with a real gun.
>>
>> -- 
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
> 
> Oh, and 'The Science' which led Governors to leave liquor stores and 
> casinos open (tax revenue) while ordering schools and churches closed.

Those weren't decisions based in science, obviously.

> 


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