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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
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On 4/17/2025 10:35 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 22:01:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/17/2025 9:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 4/17/2025 7:45 PM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>> On 4/17/2025 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 4/17/2025 7:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:39:11 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/17/2025 3:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:03:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:05:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 20:39:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:42:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:46:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:20:51 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 12:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suburban mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left.  (as with any social phenomenon there are of course
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many flavors of opinion and politics)  It was unusual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but snowballed after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The anti-vax movement was driven by ignorant anti-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists. Yes, it's bounced around the political spectrum,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the often deliberate ignorance has been and remains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with that.  Wasn't helped by deliberate lies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not only by Wakefield.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted to two doses of the Covid "vaccine," and then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the jackass who was directing it (Fauci) and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other scams
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (masks and six foot spaces) was partially responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strange isn't it. The vigorous enforcement, of exactly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same rules,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you describe, were blamed for Thailand's rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> amazingly low
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid rates and deaths..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S.  Total cases per 1 million population - 337,912
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               Total Deaths per 1 M population - 3685
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thailand Total cases per 1 million population - 68,069
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       Total deaths per 1 M population - 494
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know but the general rates of obesity, diabetes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> heart disease are dramatically different between our
>>>>>>>>>>>> countries and all those associate with deleterious outcomes
>>>>>>>>>>>> with viral infections. Maybe significant, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Given the overwhelming enthusiasm -  there is no other word for
>>>>>>>>>>> it -
>>>>>>>>>>> in doing everything possible to "fight" the disease I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> inclined to
>>>>>>>>>>> believe it was that effort. Even today masks are commonly seen and
>>>>>>>>>>> during the epidemic if you weren't wearing a mask people would
>>>>>>>>>>> shake
>>>>>>>>>>> their finger at you and say "mask, mask". Shops and stores
>>>>>>>>>>> checked
>>>>>>>>>>> your temperature before you were admitted. Any public seating was
>>>>>>>>>>> marked off in 6 foot lines. And all of this wasn't under the
>>>>>>>>>>> gaze of
>>>>>>>>>>> some "big boss" it was the common ordinary man on the street
>>>>>>>>>>> enforcing
>>>>>>>>>>> the rules.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here in Florida the "enthusiasm" lasted for a couple of weeks, and
>>>>>>>>>> then most people ignored all the rules and went on with their
>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>> There were always a few loonies who mentioned that I wasn't
>>>>>>>>>> wearing a
>>>>>>>>>> mask, but they were easy to ignore and I could move them away by
>>>>>>>>>> pretending to cough.  I still see an occasional mask out on the
>>>>>>>>>> bike
>>>>>>>>>> trails miles away from civilization or someone wearing a mask when
>>>>>>>>>> they're all alone in their car.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The whole thing was smoke and mirrors and people getting a
>>>>>>>>>> thrill out
>>>>>>>>>> of giving orders to other people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Florida - cases/M pop - 374,722
>>>>>>>>>                    deaths/M pop - 4,433
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thailand - cases/M pop - 68,069
>>>>>>>>>                      deaths/M pop - 499
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I said, there are many factors involved. I don't believe the
>>>>>>>> masks and other forced restrictions were much of a factor anywhere.
>>>>>>>> Smoke and mirrors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Florida had a problem because it's a big travel destination. People
>>>>>>>> come here on a vacation from all over the world. They bring their
>>>>>>>> diseases and Florida people interact with them. We also have a bunch
>>>>>>>> of "snowbirds" who roll in here from northern states and Canada every
>>>>>>>> fall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for people getting a thrill out of ordering others around....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The jackass governor of Minnesota (who was the recent jackass Vice
>>>>>>>> Pres candidate) set up a tattle site where people could call in if
>>>>>>>> they thought their neighbors had more than the allowed number of
>>>>>>>> people in their home. He also had "agents of some sort" traveling
>>>>>>>> through neighborhoods with paint guns threatening to shoot at people
>>>>>>>> who had not obeyed his curfew orders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Had that happened in some places in Florida, somebody would have shot
>>>>>>>> back with a real gun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and 'The Science' which led Governors to leave liquor
>>>>>>> stores and casinos open (tax revenue) while ordering schools
>>>>>>> and churches closed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... Gyms and health clubs closed, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>
>>>>> On that subject, today brings some helpful and hopeful news:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://apnews.com/article/rubio-disinformation-russia- china-iran-
>>>>> d53d00551a0a57f3114431c624db0b0f
>>>>>
>>>>> Government censorship doesn't play well with me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> right, because we need _more_ disinformation. We don't have enough
>>>> already.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am with Justice Louis Brandeis, 1927:
>>>
>>> "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and
>>> fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy
>>> to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."
>>>
>>>
>>> Justice Kennedy, 2012:
>>>
>>> “the remedy for speech that is false is speech that is true.”
>>
>> I understand your thinking, and it's a defensible position. But things
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