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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 12:42:06 -0500
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On 4/18/2025 12:10 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 11:26:52 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/17/2025 10:35 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 22:01:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/17/2025 9:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 4/17/2025 7:45 PM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/17/2025 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/17/2025 7:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:39:11 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2025 3:20 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:03:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:05:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 20:39:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:42:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 9:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:46:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:20:51 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 12:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But here, the rise in anti-vax was driven by upper class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suburban mothers and Hollywood celebrities who skew soft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left.  (as with any social phenomenon there are of course
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many flavors of opinion and politics)  It was unusual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before that quack Wakefield (1998?) but snowballed after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The anti-vax movement was driven by ignorant anti-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists. Yes, it's bounced around the political spectrum,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the often deliberate ignorance has been and remains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree with that.  Wasn't helped by deliberate lies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not only by Wakefield.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted to two doses of the Covid "vaccine," and then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the jackass who was directing it (Fauci) and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other scams
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (masks and six foot spaces) was partially responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strange isn't it. The vigorous enforcement, of exactly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same rules,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you describe, were blamed for Thailand's rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amazingly low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Covid rates and deaths..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S.  Total cases per 1 million population - 337,912
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                Total Deaths per 1 M population - 3685
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thailand Total cases per 1 million population - 68,069
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        Total deaths per 1 M population - 494
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know but the general rates of obesity, diabetes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart disease are dramatically different between our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries and all those associate with deleterious outcomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with viral infections. Maybe significant, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the overwhelming enthusiasm -  there is no other word for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in doing everything possible to "fight" the disease I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclined to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe it was that effort. Even today masks are commonly seen and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the epidemic if you weren't wearing a mask people would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shake
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their finger at you and say "mask, mask". Shops and stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>> checked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your temperature before you were admitted. Any public seating was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> marked off in 6 foot lines. And all of this wasn't under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaze of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some "big boss" it was the common ordinary man on the street
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforcing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here in Florida the "enthusiasm" lasted for a couple of weeks, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then most people ignored all the rules and went on with their
>>>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There were always a few loonies who mentioned that I wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> wearing a
>>>>>>>>>>>> mask, but they were easy to ignore and I could move them away by
>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending to cough.  I still see an occasional mask out on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> bike
>>>>>>>>>>>> trails miles away from civilization or someone wearing a mask when
>>>>>>>>>>>> they're all alone in their car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole thing was smoke and mirrors and people getting a
>>>>>>>>>>>> thrill out
>>>>>>>>>>>> of giving orders to other people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Florida - cases/M pop - 374,722
>>>>>>>>>>>                     deaths/M pop - 4,433
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thailand - cases/M pop - 68,069
>>>>>>>>>>>                       deaths/M pop - 499
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like I said, there are many factors involved. I don't believe the
>>>>>>>>>> masks and other forced restrictions were much of a factor anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>> Smoke and mirrors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Florida had a problem because it's a big travel destination. People
>>>>>>>>>> come here on a vacation from all over the world. They bring their
>>>>>>>>>> diseases and Florida people interact with them. We also have a bunch
>>>>>>>>>> of "snowbirds" who roll in here from northern states and Canada every
>>>>>>>>>> fall.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for people getting a thrill out of ordering others around....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The jackass governor of Minnesota (who was the recent jackass Vice
>>>>>>>>>> Pres candidate) set up a tattle site where people could call in if
>>>>>>>>>> they thought their neighbors had more than the allowed number of
>>>>>>>>>> people in their home. He also had "agents of some sort" traveling
>>>>>>>>>> through neighborhoods with paint guns threatening to shoot at people
>>>>>>>>>> who had not obeyed his curfew orders.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Had that happened in some places in Florida, somebody would have shot
>>>>>>>>>> back with a real gun.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, and 'The Science' which led Governors to leave liquor
>>>>>>>>> stores and casinos open (tax revenue) while ordering schools
>>>>>>>>> and churches closed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... Gyms and health clubs closed, too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On that subject, today brings some helpful and hopeful news:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://apnews.com/article/rubio-disinformation-russia- china-iran-
>>>>>>> d53d00551a0a57f3114431c624db0b0f
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Government censorship doesn't play well with me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> right, because we need _more_ disinformation. We don't have enough
>>>>>> already.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am with Justice Louis Brandeis, 1927:
>>>>>
>>>>> "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and
>>>>> fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy
>>>>> to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."
>>>>>
>>>>>
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