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From: Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Poor "Jim Pennino" :-)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 19:39:58 -0500
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On 4/19/25 5:19 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 4/19/25 2:37 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 4/19/25 1:59 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
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>>> An Iranian more independent and self-centered news outlet (in 
>>> Telegram) which does not necessarily obey any demands on them by 
>>> Iran's government, early on, towards the beginning of the talk 
>>> disclosed that Araghchi and his team had cancelled the talk minutes 
>>> into its start, and for about 15 minutes or so were preparing to 
>>> leave the building (Ommani embassy in Italy) and return to Iran.
>>>
>>> This news piece was not touched on at the end of the 2nd rounds talks 
>>> by spokesperson of foreign ministry. No other Iranian sources of news 
>>> also touched on that, either because they didn't have the 
>>> information, or they followed ministry's directive in keeping it 
>>> quiet. No news of it in Western outlets that I could see either.
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>> In this round of talk, no reporters were allowed in the building. Even 
>> spokesperson himself wasn't allowed to be there. And I don't think 
>> anyone among Iran's team texted this out directly to that news agency. 
>> It'd be absurd to do that. Much more likely, Araghchi himself called 
>> up other Iran's authorities to ask for permission to abort, and it was 
>> granted. Then some Iranians in the government itself immediately 
>> leaked it to that news agency against the wishes of the government.
>>
>> There's a second route also. Perhaps some Mossad agent among 
>> Americans' team texted it out to Mossad, and Iran's spies among Mossad 
>> (plenty of them!) texted it to that news agency and perhaps scores of 
>> other ones as well, then only the most independent one disclosed it in 
>> Telegram. I think these two are the only routes that the news could 
>> take to come out.
>>
>> I saw the news piece just minutes after the attempt to abort took 
>> place! I.e. during those minutes that mission was aborted. This is a 
>> bit too fast to be normal reaction on either side. I think there's 
>> more to it than it seems.
>>
>> How it was handled _after_ 2nd round was over, was of course just 
>> correct diplomatic behavior preserving both sides' face. Such nitty 
>> gritties are washed and cleaned off before news to media is given. But 
>> the fact that somebody, some side, wanted very badly and quickly for 
>> it to come out, is the strange and interesting part of it :)
>>
>> Could be that somebody will explain this in the news for a wider 
>> audience. We'll see.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> On the official Iranian news channel whose reporter woman was in Rome 
> broadcasting live from outside the place of meeting, the only clue that 
> could point to this event is that she said (live cast) spokesperson was 
> called inside and despite arrangements made between them to relay the 
> news to the woman reporter, she was saying he had gone silent for the 
> past few minutes and is not responding to our queries. Then she herself 
> concluded that "talks may have started to cover very serious matters, 
> taking all spokesman's attention." :) This is the only sign that you 
> could see in Iran's official news.
> 
> Anyway, this thing isn't deserving all this attention and I'm already 
> sick of it. As far as my own view is concerned, as I've said it multiple 
> times, it doesn't matter how this talk "goes forward" or even is kept 
> going or not. This whole thing to contact and create a dialogue with the 
> Americans is inconsequential to Iran because regardless of the outcome, 
> Iran must and would do exactly what she should, with or without a talk. 
> There aren't "choices" there for Iran to think and choose from when 
> Nazis are pressuring her.
> 
> In fact this is also the stance of Pezeshkiyan and Iran's Leader 
> himself. Both of them have pointed out that this matter of "negotiation" 
> is one among tens of other tasks that foreign ministry is involved in 
> and does not absorb any more attention than that, and some people's 
> tying the events or their decisions and plans to it is ridiculous.
> 
> Talking with Americans is not consequential for Iran, and therefore, it 
> is not consequential _to_ Iran. End of this crap story.
> 
> Talking with Russia is, and talking with China is, and similarly 
> developing ties with central Asians and Arabs and Indians and central 
> and south Americans ARE consequential for (and to) Iran.
> 
> USA and its cohorts and to tell you the truth the whole fucking 
> cro-magnon people is a thing of the past for Iran. It was over decades ago.
> 
> Here let me one more time quote Raisi on that:
> 
>     "They are the past; we are the future. I repeat, they are the past, 
> and we are the future."
> 
>                     - Raisi in delivering his speech in UN
> 
> 
> 
> 



More bits and pieces of what went on has come out. Same reporter to whom 
Araghchi had told, "It is moving forward", when reporter asked directly 
whether negotiations were constructive, Araghchi emphasized that, "The 
negotiations took place in a constructive _atmosphere_"..

So the machinery was there at best as it could be arranged, but as far 
as results are concerned it is too soon to comment. I.e. nothing is yet 
done.

Next round is one week later in Omman again. I don't know how they came 
up with the idea of doing it once a week. Who decided that one week of 
thinking it over and making up the mind is neither too short nor too 
long? Is there some study that has determined that? Is it what Iran 
wants, or is it USA's choice? Too long for Trump personally, but what is 
the norm and where has it come from. What study?

In physics, for instance, the period is about one year. You won't 100% 
understand, and won't integrate it fully with your present knowledge, 
what you are packing into your brain right now, till a year later. And 
as you continue packing stuff in it, only what you packed a year earlier 
will make 100% sense to you and 100% available for you to apply and 
utilize.

But that's physics. How about sensitive negotiations? Did they discover 
this one-week period by trial and error in settling spousal disputes or 
something? Does court of law do it also?

For the decision my dick made to dump physics and destroy my degree, my 
dick gave it almost exactly one week of off and on intense thought. But 
that's my dick, and not everybody is a Physfit's dick.

But could it be that stuff equally sensitive and consequential, all, 
require one week of deliberations and weighing? If you know something 
about it put it forward.