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From: Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math
Subject: Re: Poor "Jim Pennino" :-)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 20:39:41 -0500
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On 4/19/25 8:34 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 4/19/25 8:06 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 4/19/25 7:39 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 4/19/25 5:19 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>> On 4/19/25 2:37 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>> On 4/19/25 1:59 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An Iranian more independent and self-centered news outlet (in 
>>>>>> Telegram) which does not necessarily obey any demands on them by 
>>>>>> Iran's government, early on, towards the beginning of the talk 
>>>>>> disclosed that Araghchi and his team had cancelled the talk 
>>>>>> minutes into its start, and for about 15 minutes or so were 
>>>>>> preparing to leave the building (Ommani embassy in Italy) and 
>>>>>> return to Iran.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This news piece was not touched on at the end of the 2nd rounds 
>>>>>> talks by spokesperson of foreign ministry. No other Iranian 
>>>>>> sources of news also touched on that, either because they didn't 
>>>>>> have the information, or they followed ministry's directive in 
>>>>>> keeping it quiet. No news of it in Western outlets that I could 
>>>>>> see either.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> In this round of talk, no reporters were allowed in the building. 
>>>>> Even spokesperson himself wasn't allowed to be there. And I don't 
>>>>> think anyone among Iran's team texted this out directly to that 
>>>>> news agency. It'd be absurd to do that. Much more likely, Araghchi 
>>>>> himself called up other Iran's authorities to ask for permission to 
>>>>> abort, and it was granted. Then some Iranians in the government 
>>>>> itself immediately leaked it to that news agency against the wishes 
>>>>> of the government.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a second route also. Perhaps some Mossad agent among 
>>>>> Americans' team texted it out to Mossad, and Iran's spies among 
>>>>> Mossad (plenty of them!) texted it to that news agency and perhaps 
>>>>> scores of other ones as well, then only the most independent one 
>>>>> disclosed it in Telegram. I think these two are the only routes 
>>>>> that the news could take to come out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw the news piece just minutes after the attempt to abort took 
>>>>> place! I.e. during those minutes that mission was aborted. This is 
>>>>> a bit too fast to be normal reaction on either side. I think 
>>>>> there's more to it than it seems.
>>>>>
>>>>> How it was handled _after_ 2nd round was over, was of course just 
>>>>> correct diplomatic behavior preserving both sides' face. Such nitty 
>>>>> gritties are washed and cleaned off before news to media is given. 
>>>>> But the fact that somebody, some side, wanted very badly and 
>>>>> quickly for it to come out, is the strange and interesting part of 
>>>>> it :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Could be that somebody will explain this in the news for a wider 
>>>>> audience. We'll see.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the official Iranian news channel whose reporter woman was in 
>>>> Rome broadcasting live from outside the place of meeting, the only 
>>>> clue that could point to this event is that she said (live cast) 
>>>> spokesperson was called inside and despite arrangements made between 
>>>> them to relay the news to the woman reporter, she was saying he had 
>>>> gone silent for the past few minutes and is not responding to our 
>>>> queries. Then she herself concluded that "talks may have started to 
>>>> cover very serious matters, taking all spokesman's attention." :) 
>>>> This is the only sign that you could see in Iran's official news.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, this thing isn't deserving all this attention and I'm 
>>>> already sick of it. As far as my own view is concerned, as I've said 
>>>> it multiple times, it doesn't matter how this talk "goes forward" or 
>>>> even is kept going or not. This whole thing to contact and create a 
>>>> dialogue with the Americans is inconsequential to Iran because 
>>>> regardless of the outcome, Iran must and would do exactly what she 
>>>> should, with or without a talk. There aren't "choices" there for 
>>>> Iran to think and choose from when Nazis are pressuring her.
>>>>
>>>> In fact this is also the stance of Pezeshkiyan and Iran's Leader 
>>>> himself. Both of them have pointed out that this matter of 
>>>> "negotiation" is one among tens of other tasks that foreign ministry 
>>>> is involved in and does not absorb any more attention than that, and 
>>>> some people's tying the events or their decisions and plans to it is 
>>>> ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> Talking with Americans is not consequential for Iran, and therefore, 
>>>> it is not consequential _to_ Iran. End of this crap story.
>>>>
>>>> Talking with Russia is, and talking with China is, and similarly 
>>>> developing ties with central Asians and Arabs and Indians and 
>>>> central and south Americans ARE consequential for (and to) Iran.
>>>>
>>>> USA and its cohorts and to tell you the truth the whole fucking 
>>>> cro-magnon people is a thing of the past for Iran. It was over 
>>>> decades ago.
>>>>
>>>> Here let me one more time quote Raisi on that:
>>>>
>>>>     "They are the past; we are the future. I repeat, they are the 
>>>> past, and we are the future."
>>>>
>>>>                     - Raisi in delivering his speech in UN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> More bits and pieces of what went on has come out. Same reporter to 
>>> whom Araghchi had told, "It is moving forward", when reporter asked 
>>> directly whether negotiations were constructive, Araghchi emphasized 
>>> that, "The negotiations took place in a constructive _atmosphere_"..
>>>
>>> So the machinery was there at best as it could be arranged, but as 
>>> far as results are concerned it is too soon to comment. I.e. nothing 
>>> is yet done.
>>>
>>> Next round is one week later in Omman again. I don't know how they 
>>> came up with the idea of doing it once a week. Who decided that one 
>>> week of thinking it over and making up the mind is neither too short 
>>> nor too long? Is there some study that has determined that? Is it 
>>> what Iran wants, or is it USA's choice? Too long for Trump 
>>> personally, but what is the norm and where has it come from. What study?
>>>
>>> In physics, for instance, the period is about one year. You won't 
>>> 100% understand, and won't integrate it fully with your present 
>>> knowledge, what you are packing into your brain right now, till a 
>>> year later. And as you continue packing stuff in it, only what you 
>>> packed a year earlier will make 100% sense to you and 100% available 
>>> for you to apply and utilize.
>>>
>>> But that's physics. How about sensitive negotiations? Did they 
>>> discover this one-week period by trial and error in settling spousal 
>>> disputes or something? Does court of law do it also?
>>>
>>> For the decision my dick made to dump physics and destroy my degree, 
>>> my dick gave it almost exactly one week of off and on intense 
>>> thought. But that's my dick, and not everybody is a Physfit's dick.
>>>
>>> But could it be that stuff equally sensitive and consequential, all, 
>>> require one week of deliberations and weighing? If you know something 
>>> about it put it forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>> And this "week" itself.. :-) The notion of a "week" must've formed for 
>> human for a good reason, cause it is universal. I think perhaps ages 
>> ago, human found out that it takes 7 days for some difficult thoughts 
>> and calculations to mature. How else could the concept of a week form?
>>
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