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From: Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Poor "Jim Pennino" :-)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 22:11:51 -0500
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On 4/19/25 8:39 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 4/19/25 8:34 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 4/19/25 8:06 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 4/19/25 7:39 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>> On 4/19/25 5:19 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>> On 4/19/25 2:37 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/19/25 1:59 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An Iranian more independent and self-centered news outlet (in 
>>>>>>> Telegram) which does not necessarily obey any demands on them by 
>>>>>>> Iran's government, early on, towards the beginning of the talk 
>>>>>>> disclosed that Araghchi and his team had cancelled the talk 
>>>>>>> minutes into its start, and for about 15 minutes or so were 
>>>>>>> preparing to leave the building (Ommani embassy in Italy) and 
>>>>>>> return to Iran.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This news piece was not touched on at the end of the 2nd rounds 
>>>>>>> talks by spokesperson of foreign ministry. No other Iranian 
>>>>>>> sources of news also touched on that, either because they didn't 
>>>>>>> have the information, or they followed ministry's directive in 
>>>>>>> keeping it quiet. No news of it in Western outlets that I could 
>>>>>>> see either.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this round of talk, no reporters were allowed in the building. 
>>>>>> Even spokesperson himself wasn't allowed to be there. And I don't 
>>>>>> think anyone among Iran's team texted this out directly to that 
>>>>>> news agency. It'd be absurd to do that. Much more likely, Araghchi 
>>>>>> himself called up other Iran's authorities to ask for permission 
>>>>>> to abort, and it was granted. Then some Iranians in the government 
>>>>>> itself immediately leaked it to that news agency against the 
>>>>>> wishes of the government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a second route also. Perhaps some Mossad agent among 
>>>>>> Americans' team texted it out to Mossad, and Iran's spies among 
>>>>>> Mossad (plenty of them!) texted it to that news agency and perhaps 
>>>>>> scores of other ones as well, then only the most independent one 
>>>>>> disclosed it in Telegram. I think these two are the only routes 
>>>>>> that the news could take to come out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw the news piece just minutes after the attempt to abort took 
>>>>>> place! I.e. during those minutes that mission was aborted. This is 
>>>>>> a bit too fast to be normal reaction on either side. I think 
>>>>>> there's more to it than it seems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How it was handled _after_ 2nd round was over, was of course just 
>>>>>> correct diplomatic behavior preserving both sides' face. Such 
>>>>>> nitty gritties are washed and cleaned off before news to media is 
>>>>>> given. But the fact that somebody, some side, wanted very badly 
>>>>>> and quickly for it to come out, is the strange and interesting 
>>>>>> part of it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could be that somebody will explain this in the news for a wider 
>>>>>> audience. We'll see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On the official Iranian news channel whose reporter woman was in 
>>>>> Rome broadcasting live from outside the place of meeting, the only 
>>>>> clue that could point to this event is that she said (live cast) 
>>>>> spokesperson was called inside and despite arrangements made 
>>>>> between them to relay the news to the woman reporter, she was 
>>>>> saying he had gone silent for the past few minutes and is not 
>>>>> responding to our queries. Then she herself concluded that "talks 
>>>>> may have started to cover very serious matters, taking all 
>>>>> spokesman's attention." :) This is the only sign that you could see 
>>>>> in Iran's official news.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, this thing isn't deserving all this attention and I'm 
>>>>> already sick of it. As far as my own view is concerned, as I've 
>>>>> said it multiple times, it doesn't matter how this talk "goes 
>>>>> forward" or even is kept going or not. This whole thing to contact 
>>>>> and create a dialogue with the Americans is inconsequential to Iran 
>>>>> because regardless of the outcome, Iran must and would do exactly 
>>>>> what she should, with or without a talk. There aren't "choices" 
>>>>> there for Iran to think and choose from when Nazis are pressuring her.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact this is also the stance of Pezeshkiyan and Iran's Leader 
>>>>> himself. Both of them have pointed out that this matter of 
>>>>> "negotiation" is one among tens of other tasks that foreign 
>>>>> ministry is involved in and does not absorb any more attention than 
>>>>> that, and some people's tying the events or their decisions and 
>>>>> plans to it is ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talking with Americans is not consequential for Iran, and 
>>>>> therefore, it is not consequential _to_ Iran. End of this crap story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talking with Russia is, and talking with China is, and similarly 
>>>>> developing ties with central Asians and Arabs and Indians and 
>>>>> central and south Americans ARE consequential for (and to) Iran.
>>>>>
>>>>> USA and its cohorts and to tell you the truth the whole fucking 
>>>>> cro-magnon people is a thing of the past for Iran. It was over 
>>>>> decades ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here let me one more time quote Raisi on that:
>>>>>
>>>>>     "They are the past; we are the future. I repeat, they are the 
>>>>> past, and we are the future."
>>>>>
>>>>>                     - Raisi in delivering his speech in UN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More bits and pieces of what went on has come out. Same reporter to 
>>>> whom Araghchi had told, "It is moving forward", when reporter asked 
>>>> directly whether negotiations were constructive, Araghchi emphasized 
>>>> that, "The negotiations took place in a constructive _atmosphere_"..
>>>>
>>>> So the machinery was there at best as it could be arranged, but as 
>>>> far as results are concerned it is too soon to comment. I.e. nothing 
>>>> is yet done.
>>>>
>>>> Next round is one week later in Omman again. I don't know how they 
>>>> came up with the idea of doing it once a week. Who decided that one 
>>>> week of thinking it over and making up the mind is neither too short 
>>>> nor too long? Is there some study that has determined that? Is it 
>>>> what Iran wants, or is it USA's choice? Too long for Trump 
>>>> personally, but what is the norm and where has it come from. What 
>>>> study?
>>>>
>>>> In physics, for instance, the period is about one year. You won't 
>>>> 100% understand, and won't integrate it fully with your present 
>>>> knowledge, what you are packing into your brain right now, till a 
>>>> year later. And as you continue packing stuff in it, only what you 
>>>> packed a year earlier will make 100% sense to you and 100% available 
>>>> for you to apply and utilize.
>>>>
>>>> But that's physics. How about sensitive negotiations? Did they 
>>>> discover this one-week period by trial and error in settling spousal 
>>>> disputes or something? Does court of law do it also?
>>>>
>>>> For the decision my dick made to dump physics and destroy my degree, 
>>>> my dick gave it almost exactly one week of off and on intense 
>>>> thought. But that's my dick, and not everybody is a Physfit's dick.
>>>>
>>>> But could it be that stuff equally sensitive and consequential, all, 
>>>> require one week of deliberations and weighing? If you know 
>>>> something about it put it forward.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> And this "week" itself.. :-) The notion of a "week" must've formed 
>>> for human for a good reason, cause it is universal. I think perhaps 
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