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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: All of computation and human reasoning can be encoded as finite
 string transformations --- Quine
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 23:06:53 -0500
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On 4/20/2025 6:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 4/20/25 6:24 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 4/20/2025 3:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 4/20/25 3:58 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 4/20/2025 2:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 4/20/25 3:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/20/2025 2:19 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 14:54:55 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/20/25 1:53 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2025 11:29 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/25 tic 1:33 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> No counter-example to the above statement exists for all 
>>>>>>>>>>> computation
>>>>>>>>>>> and all human reasoning that can be expressed in language.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But can all Human reasoning be actually expressed in language?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For instance, how do you express the smell of a rose in a finite
>>>>>>>>>> string so you can do reasoning with it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analytic-synthetic/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all human reasoning that can be expressed in language <is> the
>>>>>>>>> {analytic} side of the analytic/synthetic distinction that 
>>>>>>>>> humanity has
>>>>>>>>> totally screwed up since
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it isn't, and that is YOUR screw up. Part of the problem is 
>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>> phrase "True by the meaning of the words alone", doesn't 
>>>>>>>> actually have
>>>>>>>> meaning in a Natural Language context, as words have vaired, 
>>>>>>>> imprecise,
>>>>>>>> and even spectrums of meaning, perhaps even multiple meanings at 
>>>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>>> (This is even a form of word play used to convey special meanings).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two Dogmas of Empiricism Willard Van Orman Quine
>>>>>>>>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Couldn't even understand that the term Bachelor as stipulated 
>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>> the semantic meaning of Bachelor(x) ≡ ~Married(x) ∧ Male(x) ∧ 
>>>>>>>>> Adult(x)
>>>>>>>>> ∧ Human(x)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, the point he was making was that this is NOT the only possible
>>>>>>>> meaning of Bachelor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, you are just showing you don't understand the arguments 
>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>> read, because the go over your head, and then YOU just assume 
>>>>>>>> theny must
>>>>>>>> be wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, all that shows is your stupidity and ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attack the argument not the person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Flibble
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard does this to try to get away with masking his own
>>>>>> complete ignorance of any of the words that I just used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except that I ALWAYS start with the actual refutation, and thus you 
>>>>> claim is just a LIE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but you don't seem to understand how logic works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Care to show how my refutation was incorrect?
>>>>
>>>> You still have no idea what Quine's paper says and are
>>>> trying to get away with claiming that you even looked at it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think I can say the same thing about you. 
>>>
>>
>> PUT UP OR SHUT UP BITCH !!!
>> Correctly sum up the gist of Quine's whole paper in one sentence.
>>
> 
> What makes you think that is POSSIBLE?
> 
> If he could have said it in one sentence he would have.
> 

In other words you have no idea about anything that he said
or you have already stated these ideas that you do have.

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