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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: Theory determines what we observe. --Albert Einstein Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 14:34:39 -0500 Organization: Modern Human Message-ID: <vu66kf$asln$9@solani.org> References: <68049149.3982@ix.netcom.com> <1rb3qin.q8hf354phnshN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <vu3gvb$9leb$2@solani.org> <1838419b56cd2c18$1565359$1494137$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <vu61e2$asln$3@solani.org> <183868af60f186ae$1582025$1488192$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <vu64qk$asln$7@solani.org> <18386b25d8c7741e$902784$1498207$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 19:34:39 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="357047"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Y2DD3SpX/EIZgDk81QH+rvpxRVU= X-User-ID: eJwFwQcBwEAIBDBLjAMeOZThX0ITU2fvgJvDzg7zfdmYqiCyoVZ+PNuLZy+3FFW2JJo6XCObctURhz2B4gduSBYU In-Reply-To: <18386b25d8c7741e$902784$1498207$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US, fa-IR Bytes: 2553 Lines: 43 On 4/21/25 2:11 PM, Maciej Woźniak wrote: > On 4/21/2025 9:03 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 4/21/25 1:25 PM, Maciej Woźniak wrote: >>> On 4/21/2025 8:05 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>> On 4/21/25 1:29 AM, Maciej Woźniak wrote: >>>>> On 4/20/2025 9:12 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >> Werner Heisenberg said, "We have to remember that what we >>>>> observe is not >>>>> >> nature in itself but nature exposed to our method of questioning." >>>>> >>>>> What we observe - is a claim. It's >>>>> a text information. It submits our >>>>> rules of text processing, nature >>>>> "in itself" has nothing to do with >>>>> it and never had. >>>>> And, yes - a theory teaches us how >>>>> our observation should look like. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Text information" is nature in itself, Bozo. >>> >>> >>> No it is not. Without a trained by a culture >>> human mind able to interprete it it's either >>> a stream of meaningless sounds or a stream >>> of meaningless characters, Bozo. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> "a stream of meaningless sounds" is nature in itself, Bozo. > > But a text isn't that. > > > Anything that is, is nature in itself, Bozo.