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From: pothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
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Subject: Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 02:33:34 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-04-21, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 4/18/25 16:46, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-04-17 10:04, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>>> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-04-16 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:55:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At what point do we finally give up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When the people start to see through those vendors’ multi-million-dollar
>>>>>>>> marketing campaigns telling everybody how wonderful they are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words, never.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would blame the ignorance of the common user much more than any
>>>>>>> marketing campaign. You'd be surprised at how oblivious most people are
>>>>>>> to the operating system they're using. Heck, this complete disregard of
>>>>>>> the operating system is part of what made it easy for me to "sell" the
>>>>>>> idea of using Linux to people who owned HP laptops which had tremendous
>>>>>>> problems with Windows or to teachers who simply want to be able to use
>>>>>>> their computers rather than constantly be locked out of them. As long as
>>>>>>> the operating system manages to get the job done, they don't care if
>>>>>>> it's Linux or Windows. My dad is one such person. He actually much
>>>>>>> preferred Mint to Windows when I installed it on a cheap laptop I got
>>>>>>> him, but he's fine with Windows on the Intel NUC he eventually replaced
>>>>>>> that machine with. Until it bugs out, there is no reason to switch over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can confirm, at least in some cases.  My wife needed a new laptop, but
>>>>>> she wanted Apple.  They're expensive, far more so when all you do is use
>>>>>> a web-browser.  So I said I'll take care of the laptop, I'll find one
>>>>>> that is second hand, and will be supported for a long long time.  (One
>>>>>> of the bugbears she had about Apple was how the OS and software become
>>>>>> obsolete and could not be upgraded).  I put Linux, and there was a tiny
>>>>>> bit of teething because it was different, but she's been using it for
>>>>>> years successfully.  She's has no idea about Linux, doesn't know she's
>>>>>> running Fedora.  Shes used my desktop machine, so had a little
>>>>>> familiarity with it.  But surprisingly, theres be no issues, and few
>>>>>> questions, aside from "how do I copy files from the USB stick" and some
>>>>>> desktop config.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's part of why I didn't mind that my very low bid for this Apple
>>>>> laptop was successful, and that I needed to pursue the purchase. To an
>>>>> Apple user, this MacBook Air 2017 is obsolete and meant for little more
>>>>> than recycling. For me, it does everything I would need a laptop to do
>>>>> at work. With Linux, it stays out of the landfill and can continue to be
>>>>> used for another decade. Heck, I might use it until I retire. Unlike
>>>>> most other teachers, I am _aware_ that it uses Linux, but I am also
>>>>> aware that our work does not require this kind of hardware to be
>>>>> upgraded as often as our boards and manufacturers require us to.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that people who know next to nothing, will find a switch to
>>>>>> Linux easier, because they have so few ingraned workflows and
>>>>>> expectations, and use the system at such a shallow level, that you could
>>>>>> switch and they'll barely notice, as long as the desktop is roughly
>>>>>> similar.  It is more the intermediate users, who would be disrupted the
>>>>>> most.
>>>>>
>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I switched a friend to Linux, as he wanted to escape Microsoft AI and
>>>> surveillance and the like.  He wanted a distro most similar to Windows
>>>> for the desktop, but as I had already installed Linux Mint on the
>>>> laptop, using Cinnamon, I decided he's better off having his desktop
>>>> computer configured to be the same as the laptop.  No issues so far.
>>>> Cinnamon is quite Windows-like.  Gnome on the other hand, I think that
>>>> is more of a leap.  I myself didn't really find it all that usable or
>>>> appealing.
>>> 
>>> I think if you're coming over from a Mac Ubuntu might be more appealing. I
>>> say this just because it seems to look more like a Mac, not because of what
>>> little Mac experience I have.
>>
>> I would say that Ubuntu's default interface is actually superior to what 
>> MacOS offers. It might not have hardware that integrates intelligently 
>> with the desktop, but it has a number of things Mac users can only 
>> manage to do if they install additional software. Snapping to the sides, 
>> for example. Ubuntu 25.04 also has hardware support that is superior to 
>> MacOS since it runs on practically every imaginable configuration under 
>> the sun, can detect just about any printer and scanner without requiring 
>> additional drivers, and even manages to have excellent gamepad support. 
>> For example, I have a Thrustmaster eSwap X Pro that needs additional 
>> software even in Windows. In 24.10, it didn't detect, but in 25.04 it 
>> works out of the box. I would say that this release actually works 
>> better on my hardware by default than even Windows does.
>
> I'm not really a fan of either Ubuntu's desktop or Mac's desktop, so I'll 
> not argue on this point. I know I don't like Window snapping, but there are 
> a few things in the Mac's desktop I don't like at all (I've mentioned them 
> in the past). So I'm quite willing to believe Ubuntu's desktop is better 
> than Mac's, but still not something I like or want to use.
>

I'm not a fan of Ubuntu but I do respect what Apple has done with the Mac.
Both my son and daughter are Macheads and for me seeing how all Apple
devices integrate into the Mac is quite impressive.

I'm reasonably certain this can be done with Linux/Windows although
I have never tried but the point is with Apple it just picks up the devices
and works.

Of course that convienience factor is going to cost you plenty.
Not worth it for me.


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