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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: All of computation and human reasoning can be encoded as finite string transformations --- Quine Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 22:44:41 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 61 Message-ID: <vucc39$mukj$3@dont-email.me> References: <vu343r$20gn$2@dont-email.me> <vu3cb7$95co$2@dont-email.me> <vu8nde$13jl5$4@dont-email.me> <vuab57$2n67r$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 05:44:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fb36b2488cb56e027582f4b64683c043"; logging-data="752275"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18YVd3EYTe1tpBI5WqHpku/" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:raiRH13Tcpr3A58vu7+pGm5lfrM= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vuab57$2n67r$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250423-4, 4/23/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3560 On 4/23/2025 4:16 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-04-22 18:33:18 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 4/22/2025 4:07 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2025-04-21 20:44:03 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 4/21/2025 4:48 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2025-04-20 17:53:43 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 4/20/2025 11:29 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/20/25 tic 1:33 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> No counter-example to the above statement exists for all >>>>>>>> computation and all human reasoning that can be expressed >>>>>>>> in language. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But can all Human reasoning be actually expressed in language? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For instance, how do you express the smell of a rose in a finite >>>>>>> string so you can do reasoning with it? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analytic-synthetic/ >>>>>> >>>>>> all human reasoning that can be expressed in language >>>>>> <is> the {analytic} side of the analytic/synthetic distinction >>>>>> that humanity has totally screwed up since >>>>>> >>>>>> Two Dogmas of Empiricism >>>>>> Willard Van Orman Quine >>>>>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Couldn't even understand that the term Bachelor >>>>>> as stipulated to have the semantic meaning of >>>>>> Bachelor(x) ≡ ~Married(x) ∧ Male(x) ∧ Adult(x) ∧ Human(x) >>>>> >>>>> You mean that if Quine says something that proves that he does not >>>>> know >>>>> that thing? >>>> >>>> When Quine says that there is no such thing as expressions >>>> of language that are true entirely on their semantic >>>> meaning expressed in language Quine is stupidly wrong. >>> >>> Where did Quine say that? >> >> When he disagrees that analytic truth can be separately >> demarcated. I uniquely made his mistake more clear. > > Where did Quine disagree that analytic truth can be separately demarcated > and that there is no such thing as expressions of language that are true > entirely on their semantic meaning expressed in language? > Willard Van Orman Quine: The Analytic/Synthetic Distinction he is best known for his rejection of the analytic/synthetic distinction. https://iep.utm.edu/quine-an/ -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer