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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DD) --- COMPUTE ACTUAL MAPPING FROM INPUT TO OUTPUT --- Using Finite String Transformations Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 14:47:35 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vue4gn$28iho$4@dont-email.me> References: <vsnchj$23nrb$2@dont-email.me> <vto4vh$23i07$1@dont-email.me> <vto7qu$267in$1@dont-email.me> <k%RLP.1232047$Xb1.539402@fx05.ams4> <vtorpb$2uac$1@news.muc.de> <vtp32o$2vb5o$1@dont-email.me> <vtqpt5$17ns$1@news.muc.de> <vtrhbc$16pbv$2@dont-email.me> <vtrk7l$t44$1@news.muc.de> <vtrmfa$1be3n$1@dont-email.me> <vtvkgo$vjvi$1@dont-email.me> <vu2042$34l74$1@dont-email.me> <vu519u$1s5f9$1@dont-email.me> <vu6aha$2vn05$3@dont-email.me> <vu6dk4$2fq2$1@news.muc.de> <vu6knm$394oo$1@dont-email.me> <vu8cgm$2p5e$1@news.muc.de> <vu8gml$v0qa$2@dont-email.me> <vu8m2h$vn9b$2@dont-email.me> <vu8pr1$13jl5$8@dont-email.me> <vu8qo3$vn9b$4@dont-email.me> <vu8ruc$13jl5$12@dont-email.me> <vuaaae$2lbp9$2@dont-email.me> <zIWdnaZKufSzmpT1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vub1go$3clpn$3@dont-email.me> <HcWcnf7heZkdG5T1nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vucbg5$mukj$1@dont-email.me> <vucro3$148pf$2@dont-email.me> <vudtd9$23cvv$1@dont-email.me> <vue2k4$27hl3$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 21:47:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8278b879b49e14b6990f113f300251ec"; logging-data="2378296"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/drQbcM2xZz4koJlKeohMH" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:aq4C/W/2mowxUWqd+pSzPAQvHgU= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vue2k4$27hl3$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250424-14, 4/24/2025), Outbound message On 4/24/2025 2:15 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 24.apr.2025 om 19:46 schreef olcott: >> On 4/24/2025 3:11 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 24.apr.2025 om 05:34 schreef olcott: >>>> On 4/23/2025 7:31 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ...because HHH stops simulating before reaching that step in the >>>>> computation. Note that I said >>>>> >>>>> MT: Both traces were of course /identical/, >>>>> *up to the point where HHH stops simulating* >>>>> >>>>> So I was factually correct. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It *is not* up to the point where HHH stops simulating. >>>> >>>> It is up to the point where the simulated versus directly >>>> executed calls HHH(DD). >>>> >>> That is exactly the same point. If not, show the difference in the >>> traces before that point. >> >> As soon as the directly executed DD calls HHH(DD) this >> call immediately returns. >> >> When DD emulated by HHH calls HHH(DD) then HHH emulates >> DD and also emulates itself emulating DD. This is one >> whole recursive emulation than the directly executed >> DD can possibly get to. > Again a lot of words, which hide that you cannot show where the traces > differ up to that point. THEY DIFFER BY THE EMULATED DD REACHES RECURSIVE EMULATION AND THE DIRECTLY EXECUTED DD NEVER DOES. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer