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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Computable Functions --- finite string transformation rules Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 21:59:39 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <vue57b$27hl3$3@dont-email.me> References: <vsnchj$23nrb$2@dont-email.me> <vthqtc$5g2e$2@dont-email.me> <63af93cb608258cc3e12b9bab3a2efa0b7ee7eee@i2pn2.org> <vtit6a$15e5s$3@dont-email.me> <vtivmo$19aqd$1@dont-email.me> <vtkc4l$2h48g$3@dont-email.me> <vtkdnm$2iqu5$1@dont-email.me> <vtkkge$2si58$2@dont-email.me> <vtl56j$3aajg$1@dont-email.me> <vtlu0a$3vgp0$1@dont-email.me> <vtm04f$2a90$1@dont-email.me> <vtm9q8$aut7$1@dont-email.me> <vtmah8$2a90$2@dont-email.me> <vtmgen$gs48$1@dont-email.me> <c2ad5086dba36124c070173c3e3252967df2fab9@i2pn2.org> <vu8g3q$v0qa$1@dont-email.me> <vu8lse$vn9b$1@dont-email.me> <vu8og4$13jl5$7@dont-email.me> <6d9ae3ac08bbbe4407fc3612441fc2032f949a3d@i2pn2.org> <vub168$3clpn$2@dont-email.me> <7ac75991b443ba53d52960ddb1932524dea8e03f@i2pn2.org> <40b048f71fe2ed2a8ef11d2d587c765c8fcbc977@i2pn2.org> <vucrgq$148pf$1@dont-email.me> <vudkt8$1ona3$2@dont-email.me> <vudp39$1rhdn$1@dont-email.me> <vudrgb$20gck$1@dont-email.me> <vue2fb$27hl3$1@dont-email.me> <vue464$28iho$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 21:59:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2e638f62f9520c381ea45971c85c834e"; logging-data="2344611"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18hF1wNby1KtvtaX7UBrklr" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:R8znwTsZVZZ6G4X4T6K9Qme5a/8= Content-Language: nl, en-GB In-Reply-To: <vue464$28iho$2@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3752 Op 24.apr.2025 om 21:41 schreef olcott: > On 4/24/2025 2:12 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 24.apr.2025 om 19:13 schreef olcott: >>> >>> HHH correctly determines through mathematical induction that >>> DD emulated by HHH (according to the finite string transformations >>> specified by the x86 language) cannot possibly reach its final >>> halt state in an infinite number of steps. > >> No, HHH has a bug which makes that it fails to see that there is only >> a finite recursion, > > *You are technically incompetent on this point* > When the finite string transformation rules of the > x86 language are applied to the input to HHH(DD) > THIS DD CANNOT POSSIBLY REACH ITS FINAL HALT STATE > not even after an infinite number of emulated steps. > > int DD() > { > int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); > if (Halt_Status) > HERE: goto HERE; > return Halt_Status; > } > > _DD() > [00002133] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping > [00002134] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping > [00002136] 51 push ecx ; make space for local > [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD > [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) > [00002141] 83c404 add esp,+04 > [00002144] 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax > [00002147] 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 > [0000214b] 7402 jz 0000214f > [0000214d] ebfe jmp 0000214d > [0000214f] 8b45fc mov eax,[ebp-04] > [00002152] 8be5 mov esp,ebp > [00002154] 5d pop ebp > [00002155] c3 ret > Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] > > > Again a lot of text, but no rebuttal.