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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: All of computation and human reasoning can be encoded as finite string transformations --- Quine Followup-To: comp.theory Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 11:24:28 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 70 Message-ID: <vugcvs$b21g$1@dont-email.me> References: <vu343r$20gn$2@dont-email.me> <vu3cb7$95co$2@dont-email.me> <vu8nde$13jl5$4@dont-email.me> <vuab57$2n67r$1@dont-email.me> <vucc39$mukj$3@dont-email.me> <vufhrl$3jmnv$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="79e8f0b4632dd720f927e42de4e950b0"; logging-data="362544"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/UmllAmYQds8XuDiwsrd5m" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:WroFmL9wrQS7Z5tqQnZYbr1D0dY= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250425-4, 4/25/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <vufhrl$3jmnv$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US On 4/25/2025 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-04-24 03:44:41 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 4/23/2025 4:16 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2025-04-22 18:33:18 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 4/22/2025 4:07 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2025-04-21 20:44:03 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 4/21/2025 4:48 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2025-04-20 17:53:43 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/20/2025 11:29 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 4/20/25 tic 1:33 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> No counter-example to the above statement exists for all >>>>>>>>>> computation and all human reasoning that can be expressed >>>>>>>>>> in language. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But can all Human reasoning be actually expressed in language? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For instance, how do you express the smell of a rose in a >>>>>>>>> finite string so you can do reasoning with it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analytic-synthetic/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> all human reasoning that can be expressed in language >>>>>>>> <is> the {analytic} side of the analytic/synthetic distinction >>>>>>>> that humanity has totally screwed up since >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two Dogmas of Empiricism >>>>>>>> Willard Van Orman Quine >>>>>>>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Couldn't even understand that the term Bachelor >>>>>>>> as stipulated to have the semantic meaning of >>>>>>>> Bachelor(x) ≡ ~Married(x) ∧ Male(x) ∧ Adult(x) ∧ Human(x) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You mean that if Quine says something that proves that he does >>>>>>> not know >>>>>>> that thing? >>>>>> >>>>>> When Quine says that there is no such thing as expressions >>>>>> of language that are true entirely on their semantic >>>>>> meaning expressed in language Quine is stupidly wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Where did Quine say that? >>>> >>>> When he disagrees that analytic truth can be separately >>>> demarcated. I uniquely made his mistake more clear. >>> >>> Where did Quine disagree that analytic truth can be separately >>> demarcated >>> and that there is no such thing as expressions of language that are true >>> entirely on their semantic meaning expressed in language? >> >> Willard Van Orman Quine: The Analytic/Synthetic Distinction >> he is best known for his rejection of the analytic/synthetic >> distinction. https://iep.utm.edu/quine-an/ > > Where exacly does he say what you claimed him saying? > Just read the rest of the article. He is widely known and most famous for rejecting the analytic/synthetic distinction. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer