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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Trigger warning! Government attorney files privileged internal work document Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 00:49:05 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 98 Message-ID: <vuhai1$15omc$1@dont-email.me> References: <vugr9s$ntd8$3@dont-email.me> <vugv0m$sdpj$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 02:49:06 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="424b88b095e4544b737c8ac31e3dde3f"; logging-data="1237708"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX182Mt1rLvkjkI/prlN7EnZYZU85ipxlDt0=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:+qC0cNxz/uyRYtFthjn2NaZ3S90= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Bytes: 5967 BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote: >Apr 25, 2025 at 1:28:44 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>LeagleEagle's Devin Stone's video starts with a trigger warning for >>practicing attorney, that this is a nightmare scenario in which an >>attorney made a massive fuck up. He filed an internal document, a work >>product protected by attorney-client privilege, which was a memo >>analyzing that the government doesn't have much of a case arguing >>against the implimentation of congestion pricing in New York city. >Which government? If it's the federal government, the only way I can see >them having any jurisdiction is via the Commerce Clause because NYC's >congestion pricing directly affects commerce with New Jersey. To be specific, the lawyer for the Trump administration included the confidential memo that said their case was very weak with the court. >(Now I'll wait while you pick yourself off the floor and wave the vapors away >as you recover from the shock of me actually arguing in *favor* of the use of >federal power via the Commerce Clause.) You needed to give me a trigger warning here! >If it's the state or local governments, I don't see why they wouldn't have a >case, since regulating traffic and vehicles is directly a matter of state and >local jurisdiction. >One question I can never seem to find the answer to regarding NYC's congestion >tolls is how they deal with out-of-state drivers. They must have some way of >tolling the New Jersey drivers since that's about 50% of the cars entering >Manhattan every day and any tolling scheme that doesn't account for them would >be a failure from its inception. But does the system have the ability to >access *every* state's DMV and toll their drivers? There are lower tolls for those using EZ-Pass (and I guess tolling systems they have an agreement with like my state), so that includes New Jersey and other states. Otherwise you are billed by mail at a higher toll. It's problematic. The city Department of Transportation logs the numbers of unreadable plates, and data expert Jehiah Czebotar visualizes them every quarter on his website. The takeaway? Two out of every nine recorded speed violations in New York City were rejected in September 2024 (the most-recent month for which there is data) because the vehicle had a temporary license plate, a marred or otherwise unreadable license plate, or no detected license plate at all. The city data show that the biggest offenders are motorcyclists or moped riders who do not have the required plates. Those motorists are subject to a small congestion fee. . . . The MTA, because it has a police force, has access to state DMV data for legitimate temporary tags, and says it is only 1.5 percent of its toll transactions are unbillable. But a spokesman confirmed late on Saturday that "there are some states we do not receive temp plate information from." (The agency said it would provide the list on Monday.) https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/01/05/congestion-pricing-has-begun-here-is-the-only-explainer-you-need No they cannot obtain registration information from every state. >If I'm on a driving vacation and end up in NYC, can the system access the >California DMV and hit me up, too? Not all of these tolling systems can >do that, so the answer isn't as clear as you might think. For example, >I drive to Texas every Christmas to spend the holidays with my family >and I drive on the toll roads around Austin, which allow you to pay by >mail if you don't have a transponder. Five years and counting and I have >yet to get anything in the mail back in California from the Texas Toll >Roads asking me to pay a toll. So I'm very curious the extent and reach >of NYC's toll system. You're probably right that they won't be able to bill you. But if your state's toll system is compatible with EZ-Pass, remove it. >. . . >So I called up that wretched hive of scum and villainy in Sacramento and was >bounced from one office to another until I got to the enabling bill's sponsor, >and then to the legislative aide who was authoring the damn thing and asked >him how this would all work and he said that right now, it's set up so drivers >have a choice. You can either pay the tax based on a simple reading of your >odometer (this year's reading minus last year's reading = taxable miles >driven) which would tax all your miles equally or you can choose to have a GPS >monitor installed on your vehicle which will note the location of every mile >and exempt those driven outside the state. That's not creepy or anything. I take it the brain implant isn't quite ready for prime time? >So basically, if you rarely or >never drive outside of the state, you can just have them read your odometer >when you get your smog certification and report it to the state or you can do >the GPS thing if you're someone who maybe lives near the border or takes long >out-of-state trips on a regular basis.