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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 08:36:42 -0000 (UTC)
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Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:25:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
> 
> 
>> Yes, you only apologised because I made your argument stronger. Problem is
>> you lacked the ability to properly interpret the results in the wider
>> context. 
> 
> Well, we were both making Covid predictions based on the facts we had
> available, 

No we weren't. 

> where I do have a degree

No you don't. 

> in that stuff so I know far more than
> the average person does (however, far less so than an epidemiologist).

That's not hard. The average person knows very little. 

> I know enough to realize what they call a "vaccine", even though I got it
> many times myself, is decidedly NOT a vaccine by CDC's own definition.

Incorrect. 

> And I know enough to calculate that the report from the CDC itself (as I
> recall) had the incidence of fatalities so low in children under 11 as to
> be almost zero (I forget how many decimal places it was but it was a few).
> 
> Hence, I assessed that it's absurd, in my humble assessment, to inject kids
> under the age of 11 

Fatal incidents of flu are similar in children and yet we give them the flu
vaccine. Is that unnecessary also? I've met parents who've lost children to
flu. Would you tell them the vaccine is unnecessary?

> 
>>> If you can recall any other time I was wrong on the facts, please state
>>> them here, 
>> 
>> You were utterly wrong in claiming that iOS - quelle surprise! - had no
>> geofencing ability. You deemed the only option as a crappy unsupported app
>> with a handful low star reviews. I highlighted to you a very simple
>> Shortcut that met your supposed needs of an "elder" person iirc. No extra
>> software required and far more functional than your "solution". No thanks
>> or any response received. 
> 
> I vaguely remember you insisting on a "geofencing" requirement where my
> claim, as I recall, was about a single point, not a fenced area, in that
> Android free & ad-free apps can easily system-wide spoof the GPS location. 

You recall incorrectly. I kinda guessed this elder story was made up at the
time, as you thought you'd found another iOS gotcha. You can't remember it
because it was a lie. 

It was nothing to do with gps spoofing. That is not something I've ever
tried as It's of no interest to me, and I believe you that it's not
possible on ios. It was something to do with popping up a notification when
someone left/returned home to turn off/switch on the wifi. Or something
like that. 

> This is a fact: 
>  *Apple's iOS always has had more 0-day exploits than Android has.*
>  <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> 

Nope. That's an assertion. 

> This is an assessment of that fact: 
>  *iOS is not more secure than Android is.*

It's a hypothesis based on the assumption that simply having a larger
number is worse without considering severity, exploitability nor length of
time before patching. You may be correct, but so far you've provided
nothing. 

> Notice you can't dispute the fact (well, fools dispute all facts).

You've not provided any evidence. So there's nothing to dispute. 

It's like asking people dispute the existence of santa in the summer. 

>>> Just remember that I teach you Apple trolls hundreds of facts about Apple
>>> per year

Lol. You're lucky if you achieve one fact a year. 

>>> 
>>> You not liking a bona fide fact does not mean that fact is wrong.
>>> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> 
>> 
>> See? This link doesn't substantiate your claim. It's simply a data source. 
> 
> Huh? You have a technical doctorate, Chris (or so you claim), and you are
> stating that the canonical source for zero-day exploits is "just data"?

Your "evidence" is equivalent to a particle physicist claiming to have
discovered a new quark and then points to an electron as evidence. 

Or a conspiracy theorist telling you to "do your own research". 

> WTF?

Show your workings. Over what time period? What are the numbers? What's a
meaningful difference?  What is the empirical evidence of harm caused? etc.


>>> A fact is Apple's promised iOS support is shorter than that of Samsung's.
>>> An assessment is Apple's iOS support sucks compared to that of Samsung's.
>> 
>> This is a perfect example of your bias. You value a written statement more
>> than actual evidence. 
> 
> Hmmm... it's a written promised fact, Chris. It's not a bias. It's a fact.

The fact is they wrote a statement making an ambition. There's no evidence
yet that they have met that ambition. 

It's like a kid promising to do their homework: Ill believe it when I see
it. 

> a. iOS promised full support = 5 years

Correction: >= 5 years

> b. Samsung (S-series) & Google (Pixel) full promised support = 7 years
> 
> It's simply a fact that 7 years happens to be longer than 5 years, Chris.
> Only an Apple troll would claim otherwise.

No-one has claimed otherwise. 
 
>> Apple, however, has a very well evidenced history of fully supporting
>> iphones for 5-8 years. For example, the Xs, Xs Max and Xr models launched
>> in 2018 are still fully supported and will be until at least September. 
>> https://endoflife.date/iphone
> 
> FACT:
> Apple is on written record for fully supporting *only* macOS/iOS devices
> which can install the latest release, Chris. Which is iOS 18 & only iOS 18.
>  *iPhone models compatible with iOS 18*
>  <https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/iphone-models-compatible-with-ios-18-iphe3fa5df43/ios>
> 
>  *iOS 18: Hereขs the list of iPhone models*
>  <https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/10/ios-18-iphone-models-compatible/>

Why are you repeating what I wrote? You're confirming that Apple is
*already* fully supporting iphones for seven years. Not five. Seven. 

You are agreeing that Samsung and Google will only match Apple in six
years' time. On some models, maybe. 

[ snip strawmen ]