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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Turing Computations <are> finite string transformations of inputs Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 16:28:59 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vujj6s$35hcg$6@dont-email.me> References: <vu6lnf$39fls$2@dont-email.me> <vua9oi$2lub6$1@dont-email.me> <vudkah$1ona3$1@dont-email.me> <vufi61$3k099$1@dont-email.me> <vugddv$b21g$2@dont-email.me> <vuh2a3$tkor$1@dont-email.me> <vuhjsk$1h0ma$1@dont-email.me> <vujhmf$36iqv$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 23:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9742630c956e796e93c0a1f147f3a807"; logging-data="3327376"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18A18Dh28apf07PYYQnATJB" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1SKNpF7zxQh9lZedgVEP2rQZ8eE= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250426-4, 4/26/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <vujhmf$36iqv$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 4/26/2025 4:03 PM, André G. Isaak wrote: > On 2025-04-25 21:28, olcott wrote: >> On 4/25/2025 5:28 PM, André G. Isaak wrote: >>> On 2025-04-25 10:31, olcott wrote: >>> >>>> Once we understand that Turing computable functions are only >>>> allowed to derived their outputs by applying finite string >>>> operations to their inputs then my claim about the behavior >>>> of DD that HHH must report on is completely proven. >>> >>> You're very confused here. >>> >>> Computable functions are *functions*. That is, they are mappings from >>> a domain to a codomain, neither of which are required to be strings. >>> Functions don't involve finite string operations at all. >>> >> >> All Turing Machine based computation applies the/ >> finite string transformations specified by the TM >> language to the input finite string. > > Turing machines and computable functions are not the same thing. You > keep conflating the two. The point of my post was to try to get you to > be more careful with your terminology. > > André > Yes so I must correct my words to say All Turing Machine based *Computable Functions* apply the >> finite string transformations specified by the TM >> language to the input finite string. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer