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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?= <agisaak@gm.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Turing Computations <are> finite string transformations of inputs Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 16:18:20 -0600 Organization: Christians and Atheists United Against Creeping Agnosticism Lines: 44 Message-ID: <vujm3c$397q3$1@dont-email.me> References: <vu6lnf$39fls$2@dont-email.me> <vua9oi$2lub6$1@dont-email.me> <vudkah$1ona3$1@dont-email.me> <vufi61$3k099$1@dont-email.me> <vugddv$b21g$2@dont-email.me> <vuh2a3$tkor$1@dont-email.me> <vuhjsk$1h0ma$1@dont-email.me> <vujhmf$36iqv$1@dont-email.me> <vujj6s$35hcg$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 00:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0559770474c6176db9489f7b158c6ca0"; logging-data="3448643"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18UWdpmaHKeTZ0BAboRHvuz" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:/BqbQjtZzj34Y+OqGJUMtVixWYc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vujj6s$35hcg$6@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2856 On 2025-04-26 15:28, olcott wrote: > On 4/26/2025 4:03 PM, André G. Isaak wrote: >> On 2025-04-25 21:28, olcott wrote: >>> On 4/25/2025 5:28 PM, André G. Isaak wrote: >>>> On 2025-04-25 10:31, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>>> Once we understand that Turing computable functions are only >>>>> allowed to derived their outputs by applying finite string >>>>> operations to their inputs then my claim about the behavior >>>>> of DD that HHH must report on is completely proven. >>>> >>>> You're very confused here. >>>> >>>> Computable functions are *functions*. That is, they are mappings >>>> from a domain to a codomain, neither of which are required to be >>>> strings. Functions don't involve finite string operations at all. >>>> >>> >>> All Turing Machine based computation applies the/ >>> finite string transformations specified by the TM >>> language to the input finite string. >> >> Turing machines and computable functions are not the same thing. You >> keep conflating the two. The point of my post was to try to get you to >> be more careful with your terminology. >> >> André >> > > Yes so I must correct my words to say > > All Turing Machine based *Computable Functions* apply the > >> finite string transformations specified by the TM > >> language to the input finite string. Which is just as mangled as your earlier usage. Maybe learn what these things mean... André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service.