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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Computable Functions --- finite string transformation rules Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 08:16:52 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: <vuki4k$646h$2@dont-email.me> References: <vsnchj$23nrb$2@dont-email.me> <vtmah8$2a90$2@dont-email.me> <vtmgen$gs48$1@dont-email.me> <c2ad5086dba36124c070173c3e3252967df2fab9@i2pn2.org> <vu8g3q$v0qa$1@dont-email.me> <vu8lse$vn9b$1@dont-email.me> <vu8og4$13jl5$7@dont-email.me> <6d9ae3ac08bbbe4407fc3612441fc2032f949a3d@i2pn2.org> <vub168$3clpn$2@dont-email.me> <7ac75991b443ba53d52960ddb1932524dea8e03f@i2pn2.org> <40b048f71fe2ed2a8ef11d2d587c765c8fcbc977@i2pn2.org> <vucrgq$148pf$1@dont-email.me> <vudkt8$1ona3$2@dont-email.me> <vudp39$1rhdn$1@dont-email.me> <vudrgb$20gck$1@dont-email.me> <vue2fb$27hl3$1@dont-email.me> <vue464$28iho$2@dont-email.me> <vue57b$27hl3$3@dont-email.me> <vue8qm$2d7t8$1@dont-email.me> <cb382175aa6cc9a806dedc1d2bcfbd916dfaf1b5@i2pn2.org> <vuejgn$2md4c$3@dont-email.me> <ae8fce7ec0639d76c87bf1af0dfbc2a806053899@i2pn2.org> <vugucr$pke9$5@dont-email.me> <vui77f$217h6$2@dont-email.me> <vuj538$2lf64$9@dont-email.me> <vuj88g$2uahf$2@dont-email.me> <vujd4o$329gt$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 08:16:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ae23edbd9f2ff10f9b4e5eebfee85502"; logging-data="200913"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+3oVNmd99ieoda8W59yBJo" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:trqk1m41oN07MGKNTWdE/SXEPUo= In-Reply-To: <vujd4o$329gt$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: nl, en-GB Bytes: 4777 Op 26.apr.2025 om 21:45 schreef olcott: > On 4/26/2025 1:22 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 26.apr.2025 om 19:28 schreef olcott: >>> On 4/26/2025 3:58 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 25.apr.2025 om 23:21 schreef olcott: >>>>> On 4/25/2025 8:56 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Thu, 24 Apr 2025 19:03:34 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mathematical induction proves that DD emulated by HHH cannot >>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>> reach its own final state in an infinite number of steps and it does >>>>>>> this with one recursive emulation. >>>>>>> There is a repeating pattern that every C programmer can see. >>>>> >>>>>> Like Fred wrote months ago, that has nothing to do with the >>>>>> contradictory >>>>>> part of DD, >>>>> >>>>> Sure it does. The contradictory part of DD has always >>>>> been unreachable thus only a ruse. >>>>> >>>>>> only with it being simulated by the same simulator it calls. >>>>> >>>>> That <is> the Halting Problem counter-example input. >>>>> >>>>>> The program EE(){ HHH(EE); } also halts and cannot be simulated by >>>>>> HHH. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> HHH cannot possibly do this without violating the rules of >>>>> the x86 language. >>>> HHH already violates the rules of the x86 language by prematurely >>>> aborting the halting program. >>> >>> Everyone claims that HHH violates the rules >>> of the x86 language yet no one can point out >>> which rules are violated >> >> >> It has been pointed out many times. It is against the rules of the x86 >> language to abort a halting function. > > You remains stupidly wrong about this because > you refuse to show what step of DD is not emulated > by HHH according to the finite string transformation > rules specified by the x86 language. > > _DD() > [00002133] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping > [00002134] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping > [00002136] 51 push ecx ; make space for local > [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD > [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) > [00002141] 83c404 add esp,+04 > [00002144] 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax > [00002147] 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 > [0000214b] 7402 jz 0000214f > [0000214d] ebfe jmp 0000214d > [0000214f] 8b45fc mov eax,[ebp-04] > [00002152] 8be5 mov esp,ebp > [00002154] 5d pop ebp > [00002155] c3 ret > Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] > > You refuse to show the incorrect step because you > know that you are clueless about the x86 language > and provide your "rebuttal" entirely on the basis > of pure bluster. In other words pure Troll behavior > on your part. > No new information, no rebuttal.