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On 4/27/2025 9:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder  wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
>>>>>>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
>>>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
>>>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
>>>>>>> manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
>>>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
>>>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
>>>>>>> he's trying something new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but
>>>>>> not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger
>>>>>> tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for
>>>>>> Trump to do titfor tat..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to put these people away.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not understand the problem.  Duty disparities are
>>>>> broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
>>>>> purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
>>>>> nearly forever.
>>>>>
>>>>> All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
>>>>> targeted areas in this and every country, what with
>>>>> incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
>>>>> hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Small example-
>>>>>
>>>>> United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
>>>>>
>>>>> or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
>>>>> 1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
>>>>> American rice imports.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
>>>>> administrations encouraged (subsidized)  extremely small
>>>>> inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
>>>>> numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
>>>>> fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
>>>>> long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
>>>>> side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
>>>>> has had major political effect.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
>>>>>
>>>>> And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
>>>>> price supports and duties which are no better than policies
>>>>> for rice in Japan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
>>>>> half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
>>>>> years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
>>>>> before The Great Pacific War.  I pay import duty on each and
>>>>> every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
>>>>> half century.
>>>>
>>>> Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
>>>> manufacturing bike tires in the  U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
>>>> compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
>>>
>>> I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
>>> building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
>>> their factories around for years.
>>
>>
>> True and usually for very good reasons, cost of operations. Normal
>> minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories have recently
>> open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
> 
> It’s also where the skilled labour plus equipment is, such as Silca
> couldn’t find a motor or battery of the right specifications at certainly
> not at a economic cost, I believe some us Military drone manufacturers
> motors could be bought but would result in cost well above the market for
> such things.
> 
> Ie manufacturing takes decades to transfer from countries.
> 
> Roger Merriman
> 

Or not.

Bicycle assembly plants magically appeared in Cambodia a few 
years ago (QC, fit & finish, packing all top quality IMHO) 
and are now leaving.

See also Apple in India.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971