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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: silca and Tariffs
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 10:38:15 -0500
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On 4/27/2025 9:50 AM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 4/27/2025 5:47 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. 
>>> <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi 
>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder  wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman 
>>>>>>> <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the 
>>>>>>>> tariffs are effecting
>>>>>>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a 
>>>>>>>> moving target so may well
>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. 
>>>>>>> I see no reason
>>>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. 
>>>>>>> Maybe it will
>>>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to 
>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>> manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic 
>>>>>>> jackasses let it slip
>>>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the 
>>>>>>> country, but it was
>>>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old 
>>>>>>> plans. At least
>>>>>>> he's trying something new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for 
>>>>>> other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly 
>>>>>> OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign 
>>>>>> goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for 
>>>>>> Trump to do titfor tat..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to put these people away.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not understand the problem.  Duty disparities are
>>>>> broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
>>>>> purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
>>>>> nearly forever.
>>>>>
>>>>> All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
>>>>> targeted areas in this and every country, what with
>>>>> incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
>>>>> hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Small example-
>>>>>
>>>>> United States of America is written in Japanese as 
>>>>> Beikoku:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
>>>>>
>>>>> or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language 
>>>>> in the
>>>>> 1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
>>>>> American rice imports.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
>>>>> administrations encouraged (subsidized)  extremely small
>>>>> inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
>>>>> numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
>>>>> fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
>>>>> long trend, with more food production from less labor, 
>>>>> but a
>>>>> side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties 
>>>>> this
>>>>> has had major political effect.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
>>>>>
>>>>> And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
>>>>> price supports and duties which are no better than 
>>>>> policies
>>>>> for rice in Japan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
>>>>> half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
>>>>> years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
>>>>> before The Great Pacific War.  I pay import duty on 
>>>>> each and
>>>>> every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
>>>>> half century.
>>>>
>>>> Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory 
>>>> and
>>>> manufacturing bike tires in the  U.S.? Is it possible 
>>>> for the U.S. to
>>>> compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
>>>
>>> I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less 
>>> then the
>>> building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers 
>>> have been moving
>>> their factories around for years.
>>
>>
>> True and usually for very good reasons, cost of 
>> operations. Normal
>> minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories 
>> have recently
>> open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
> 
> That's non-union. The UAW contract with GM has a starting 
> wage at $30/hour.

That's true.  And more than double that with benefits and 
pension liability for 'total labor cost'

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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