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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: silca and Tariffs
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 16:37:15 -0500
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On 4/27/2025 3:39 PM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 4/27/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi 
>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> Goes both ways.
>>>>
>>>> Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
>>>> virtually impossible to import in to USA.  For the past 120
>>>> years across every administration.
>>>
>>>     Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
>>> price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an 
>>> oligopoly. The "big
>>> corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay 
>>> what they
>>> promised and when they give the land back nothing will 
>>> grow on it.
>>> Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three 
>>> years it's
>>> sand.
>>>
>>>     There's a reason why the Chinese government  will not 
>>> allow
>>> planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking 
>>> decades in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>      I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane 
>>> farms are
>>> far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. 
>>> Machines don't
>>> have to feed their children or invest in bettering their 
>>> education.
>>> They're cheaper than slaves....
>>>     []'s
>>
>> WTF?  And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else 
>> interfered with or even addressed slavery as a domestic 
>> political issue??
>>
> 
> just guessing, but I think "slave labor" is a bit of 
> hyperbole. Perhaps he meant "slave wages"?

A quick search showed one incident with 45 sugarcane 
workers. Not zero, but maybe not widespread.

Speaking of which, we have a slavery problem here as well, 
largely extorted/detained persons in brothels

(estimated at minimum 20,000 but maybe 50,000 and U Penn 
guesses up to 300,000 ; who knows?
https://deliverfund.org/blog/facts-about-human-trafficking-in-united-states/ 
)

but not only:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/raids-black-market-cannabis-farms-uncover-human-trafficking-victims-rcna4678

https://sfist.com/2016/09/22/women_accused_of_holding_4_kidnappe/

https://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/domestic-servitude

Which, like Brasil, is true, not zero,  but not at all 
common, widespread or generally excusable. The unusual 
examples are promptly prosecuted, as perps were in the 
Brasil incident.


-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971