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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DD) --- COMPUTE ACTUAL MAPPING FROM INPUT TO OUTPUT --- Ignoramus !!! Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:01:51 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 39 Message-ID: <vung5v$2uf19$1@dont-email.me> References: <vsnchj$23nrb$2@dont-email.me> <vt6lmk$1djk6$1@dont-email.me> <vt7tj4$2iso2$1@dont-email.me> <vt9j0j$1snb$2@dont-email.me> <vtai1c$11kqr$1@dont-email.me> <vtajkf$10asg$2@dont-email.me> <vtbe3g$1vs00$1@dont-email.me> <852f89c9196e0261b8156050fea4572fe886933f@i2pn2.org> <vth52t$3in23$9@dont-email.me> <vth557$3a127$7@dont-email.me> <vth8lr$3n2du$2@dont-email.me> <a8ab995b650b894cbfb635478f7406c4eee4d187@i2pn2.org> <vthqtc$5g2e$2@dont-email.me> <63af93cb608258cc3e12b9bab3a2efa0b7ee7eee@i2pn2.org> <vtit6a$15e5s$3@dont-email.me> <vtivmo$19aqd$1@dont-email.me> <vtkc4l$2h48g$3@dont-email.me> <vtkdnm$2iqu5$1@dont-email.me> <vtkkge$2si58$2@dont-email.me> <vtl56j$3aajg$1@dont-email.me> <vtlu0a$3vgp0$1@dont-email.me> <vtm04f$2a90$1@dont-email.me> <vtm9q8$aut7$1@dont-email.me> <vtmah8$2a90$2@dont-email.me> <vtmgen$gs48$1@dont-email.me> <vtmh1n$2a90$3@dont-email.me> <vto4vh$23i07$1@dont-email.me> <vto7qu$267in$1@dont-email.me> <vtopqv$2meit$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 11:01:51 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2b5c102808e347f35c2369ffef09ae21"; logging-data="3095593"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18y1tlChaRlp/7+hHPBlbVj" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:dqx6ZktnGpGPjqIQt8yyI/wysLI= On 2025-04-16 17:36:31 +0000, olcott said: > On 4/16/2025 7:29 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >> On 16/04/2025 12:40, olcott wrote: >>> sum(3,2) IS NOT THE SAME AS sum(5,2). >>> IT IS EITHER STUPID OR DISHONEST FOR YOU TO TRY TO >>> GET AWAY FOR CLAIMING THIS USING THE STRAW DECEPTION >>> INTENTIONALLY INCORRECT PARAPHRASE OF MY WORDS. >> >> Whether sum(3,2) is or is not the same as sum(5,2) is not the question. >> The question is whether a universal termination analyser can be >> constructed, and the answer is that it can't. >> >> This has been rigorously proved. If you want to overturn the proof >> you've got your work cut out to persuade anyone to listen, not least >> because anyone who tries to enter into a dialogue with you is met with >> contempt and scorn. >> >> The proof stands. >> > > *corresponding output to the input* > *corresponding output to the input* > *corresponding output to the input* > *corresponding output to the input* > *corresponding output to the input* > > Not freaking allowed to look at any damn thing > else besides the freaking input. Must compute whatever > mapping ACTUALLY EXISTS FROM THIS INPUT. A halt decider is is not allowed to compute "whatever" mapping. It is required to compute one specific mapping: to "no" if the computation described by the input can be continesd forever without halting, to "no" otherwise. -- Mikko