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From: Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca>
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:24:53 +0300, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

> Dhu on Gate, <news:vunfgu$1velj$3@dont-email.me>
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 07:20:43 +0300, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> 
>>> Six centuries is too much. The British big animosity towards
>>> Russia arose in the post-Napoleonic time.
>> 
>> Over four hundred, anyways.  Originally started up with 
>> Ivan the Terrible taxing/controlling Russian fur going *out* 
>> the Baltic to England and points further south: Big Money
>> taken outta the English fur trade.  
> 
> ...
>  
>> But by the early 1600s there was as much fur coming out of 
>> Canada as all the Russias, and France and England fought
>> over it's control for over three hundred years.  New Amsterdam
>> was *founded* on fur smuggled out of Quebec: the Arctic climate
>> requisite for good fur comes south *furthest* in Canada.
> 
> Little known today, but in the 16-18 centuries, in Europe, the 
> Russian-produced leather was considered premium-exclusive luxury
> good (Westerners mastered similar techniques since 19 century).
> 

Automating/mechanizing these production technologies was an English
forte: *Imitation* Italian or Russian goods made by machines.  
Intellectual Property was a delusion to England's Pirates ;-)

Dhu

> Also the early Russia-England trade wasn't about fur only.


-- 
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.  
  C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris.
  Vix ea nostra voco. (<<< we'd like to forget! ;-) 
  Duncan Patton a Campbell