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From: Nyssa <Nyssa@logicalinsight.net>
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Subject: Re: Elon Musk versus the intelligence community
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:10:28 -0400
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The Horny Goat wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:40:28 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> 
>>If I'm not mistaken, Queen Elizabeth II was an avid
>>driver, having learned when she was a mechanic for
>>military vehicles during WWII, but was not permitted to
>>drive on public roads, at least as Queen. However, she
>>loved to drive on the private roads on her estates, like
>>Balmoral. I distinctly remember seeing that depicted in a
>>movie where the Queen (played by Helen Mirren if I recall
>>correctly) was hauling ass around Balmoral in a Land
>>Rover.
> 
> She wasn't just a mechanic but a military driver who
> seldom drove anybody below General rank. (She was after
> all the Princess of Wales during WW2)
> 
> While I'm a big Helen Mirren fan I don't remember the
> scene you describe but if the film in question covered
> that period then I'm sure you're right.

Just a small correction/clarification.

Princess Elizabeth was never Princess of Wales. Only the
eldest *son* of the monarch can hold the title of Prince
of Wales (with his wife having the courtesy title of
Princess of Wales).

That may have changed in the fairly recent legislation that
modified the rules of succession to allow females to hold
their place in line to the throne by birth position rather
than be "jumped" by their younger brothers, but that wasn't
the case last century. (I can't say that I've been curious 
enough to look up if an eldest daughter couled be invested
as Princess of Wales as part of the changes of succession.)

Elizabeth's official designation was Heiress Presumptive, since
in theory at least, the birth of a son would have knocked her
to second in line. Yeah, that ignores that the future Queen
Mum was beyond that feat, but theoretically, the King could
have re-married if the queen died and a younger consort could 
have produced a son.  

Just setting the record straight.

Nyssa, who remembers this stuff from her history classes and
reading a book on heraldry and titles years ago