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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: Grand Apagon - Electricity (not) in Spain
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:32:29 +1000
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On 30/04/2025 10:00 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 18:55:33 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/29/2025 6:41 PM, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 17:05:10 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/29/2025 4:39 PM, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 21:51:36 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2025-04-29 21:26, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 21:13:29 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-29 14:24, Martin Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone have any idea what actually happened?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. Every possibility is being investigated, and the government has
>>>>>>>> promised to say it, and claim damages if there is a culprit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cool. The government can collect damages from itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. It is private companies.
>>>>>
>>>>> What we do here is insanely bad forest management that builds
>>>>> incredible fuel loads. So when a fire explodes, government conjectures
>>>>> an ignition source and sues some private party. Unless it was
>>>>> lightning; it's hard to sue God.
>>>>>
>>>>> When unemployed people are cold and hungry in the dark, they may
>>>>> reconsider voting Green.
>>>>
>>>> The Greens will have to wait in line.
>>>>
>>>> Treasury Secretary Bessent said he is not currently concerned about the
>>>> risk of empty store shelves, stating, "We have some great retailers. I
>>>> assume they preordered."
>>>>
>>>> It's some good stuff these people are smoking. US retailers learned
>>>> _nothing_  from COVID, other than how to raise prices.
>>>
>>> Could be that the day of the $5 tee shirt and the $7 prescription
>>> glasses (shipping included) are mostly over.
>>>
>>> China is considering selling all that cheap stuff to their own people!
>>> Fancy that. They might have to pay them enough to afford it.
>>>
>>
>> It's too late, capital is already moving on to Vietnam, Myanmar,
>> Philippines, Africa, El Salvadorian prison slave labor..
> 
> "The Dutch Disease" posits that having one valuable resource, like oil
> or something, makes the elites rich and impoverishes most citizens.
> China's resource is cheap labor, and exports make the elites, the CCP,
> rich.

Except that having lots of natural gas for a while didn't make the 
Netherlands poor. I was living there when the natural gas was running 
out, and it wasn't in the least impoverished. They had the money to 
invest in masking better photolithography machines at ASML - I tried for 
work there and didn't get hired. You and Phil Hobbs seem to have done 
better.

> Wouldn't it be ironic if Trump's tarriff war winds up benefiting the
> working people in China. Maybe that's his plan.

Trump hasn't get the attention span to have a plan.

China is replaying Japan's me-too industrialisation,  unfortunately 
including the enlarged co-prosperity sphere. They may get to democracy a 
bit faster. Replicating other people's technological advances may let 
them copy the poltical advances as well. The USA is still stuck with a 
remarkably primitive political system, so it isn't guaranteed.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney