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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal Alien Escape ICE
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 21:40:08 -0000 (UTC)
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On Apr 30, 2025 at 2:16:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 4/30/2025 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  On Apr 30, 2025 at 11:37:37 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>>    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>      On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>      On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>        On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>        On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>          On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>        As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's
>>>>>>>>> biases.  I.e.,
>>>>>>>>>        he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.
>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>        I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
>>>>>>>>    directs me
>>>>>>>>      to
>>>>>>>>        a back door to evade the cops, either.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>      No, it wouldn't.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically.
>>>>    
>>>>    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
>>>>    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of
>>>> their
>>>>    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same.
>>> 
>>>  But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
>>>  disobedience would be inadvertent.
>>  
>>  She had *no business* checking the warrant in the first place. She has no
>>  jurisdiction over federal immigration law. She's no different than any other
>>  citizen with regard to the ICE arrest. John Doe on the street can't walk up
>> to
>>  an ongoing ICE operation and start demanding to see paperwork and neither
>> can
>>  a state court judge. And if either one of them do so, they can be arrested
>> and
>>  charged with obstruction.
> 
> How does that work, then?  Can you be having dinner at home with your 
> wife and, when a knock at the door turns out to be a stranger claiming 
> to have a warrant to take her away, you can't say "Show me"?

You can ask it, but they don't have to show you. They will have to show *her*
and her attorney (and the court) at some point to validate the arrest, but you
don't have any legal standing to demand it.

And this is just a state court judge in the lobby of a courthouse, not some
family member in their own home, so whatever standing the husband in your
scenario may have, it certainly wouldn't apply to Judge Busybody.