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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal Alien Escape ICE Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 21:40:08 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 66 Message-ID: <vuu5bo$15336$1@dont-email.me> References: <vujb4b$2v233$3@dont-email.me> <vutqlh$r88d$1@dont-email.me> <vutte4$ua4t$1@dont-email.me> <vuu3v8$130tj$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 23:40:08 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7f6cc01280dc8cda4285f90aa43b5efe"; logging-data="1215590"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18P/AAY9PB0yd6ESMnMM/2h" User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Cancel-Lock: sha1:rw9SQRN2swlYtvvRqi2bVWXEbEc= Bytes: 3968 On Apr 30, 2025 at 2:16:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 4/30/2025 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> On Apr 30, 2025 at 11:37:37 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>> On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's >>>>>>>>> biases. I.e., >>>>>>>>> he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she >>>>>>>> directs me >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, it wouldn't. >>>>> >>>>> Sure it would, if not legally then ethically. >>>> >>>> Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both >>>> recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of >>>> their >>>> higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>> >>> But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her >>> disobedience would be inadvertent. >> >> She had *no business* checking the warrant in the first place. She has no >> jurisdiction over federal immigration law. She's no different than any other >> citizen with regard to the ICE arrest. John Doe on the street can't walk up >> to >> an ongoing ICE operation and start demanding to see paperwork and neither >> can >> a state court judge. And if either one of them do so, they can be arrested >> and >> charged with obstruction. > > How does that work, then? Can you be having dinner at home with your > wife and, when a knock at the door turns out to be a stranger claiming > to have a warrant to take her away, you can't say "Show me"? You can ask it, but they don't have to show you. They will have to show *her* and her attorney (and the court) at some point to validate the arrest, but you don't have any legal standing to demand it. And this is just a state court judge in the lobby of a courthouse, not some family member in their own home, so whatever standing the husband in your scenario may have, it certainly wouldn't apply to Judge Busybody.