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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal Alien Escape ICE
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 02:48:26 -0000 (UTC)
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On Apr 30, 2025 at 7:30:29 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 4/30/2025 5:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  On Apr 30, 2025 at 2:16:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 4/30/2025 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>    On Apr 30, 2025 at 11:37:37 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>>    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>      On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
>>>>>    disobedience would be inadvertent.
>>>>    
>>>>    She had *no business* checking the warrant in the first place. She has no
>>>>    jurisdiction over federal immigration law. She's no different than any
>>>> other
>>>>    citizen with regard to the ICE arrest. John Doe on the street can't
>>>> walk up
>>>>  to
>>>>    an ongoing ICE operation and start demanding to see paperwork and neither
>>>>  can
>>>>    a state court judge. And if either one of them do so, they can be arrested
>>>>  and
>>>>    charged with obstruction.
>>> 
>>>  How does that work, then?  Can you be having dinner at home with your
>>>  wife and, when a knock at the door turns out to be a stranger claiming
>>>  to have a warrant to take her away, you can't say "Show me"?
>>  
>>  You can ask it, but they don't have to show you. They will have to show
>> *her*
>>  and her attorney (and the court) at some point to validate the arrest, but
>> you
>>  don't have any legal standing to demand it.
>>  
>>  And this is just a state court judge in the lobby of a courthouse, not some
>>  family member in their own home, so whatever standing the husband in your
>>  scenario may have, it certainly wouldn't apply to Judge Busybody.
> 
> So, "at some point" would seem to mean 'whenever we feel like it'. 
> Thus, if some random guys show up claiming to have a warrant ("back at 
> the station") for your arrest, you'd better simply let them spirit you 
> away while try to assure yourself they're not actually kidnappers...

What else could you do even if they showed it to you?

Anyone who's sophisticated enough to show up to your home with a counterfeit
marked police cruiser and wearing police uniforms and equipment, wouldn't have
any trouble downloading an arrest warrant from the internet and switching out
the names and other pertinent information, forging a judge's signature, and
printing it out to have in hand during the kidnapping.

How exactly does the husband looking at the warrant in your scenario serve as
a prophylaxis against kidnapping?