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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Grand Apagon - Electricity (not) in Spain Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 15:33:48 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: <vuv144$1tuhu$5@dont-email.me> References: <vuqgef$1of93$1@dont-email.me> <mqp11khbm5eoulgl4i7l1ncmm73irtnk5q@4ax.com> <6810ef6a$2$2786$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <qft11klssklbte9o8mu13o9m8jla77649r@4ax.com> <vusi3d$3lvur$5@dont-email.me> <vusuof$3ntuc$2@dont-email.me> <n7s41k1kh9fsnvegsc3g6can3u7hfflefh@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 01 May 2025 07:33:57 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9d09fd72139f3c278638071aba0d8a0f"; logging-data="2030142"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/GxTszwyBp170P+JpxwKcVr8YkMKdbCvY=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:tIDyzW+slOLBzNfj4tWCM7k9FYM= In-Reply-To: <n7s41k1kh9fsnvegsc3g6can3u7hfflefh@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250501-0, 1/5/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 2798 On 1/05/2025 4:51 am, john larkin wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 11:41:19 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> On 30/04/2025 08:05, Bill Sloman wrote: >> >>> About 40% of new roof-top solar power installations in Australia include >>> a Tesla Powerwall (or something similar) to keep the lights on at night. >>> >>> It adds appreciably to the capital cost, but pays for itself in a couple >>> of years. Australia's feed-in tariffs aren't generous. >> >> Over here in the UK a 13.5kWh Tesla 3 powerwall will cost around £10k >> (includes installation). This (USA) site suggests a payback time of 14 >> years >> <https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/is-the-tesla-powerwall-the-best-solar-battery-available#is-the-tesla-powerwall-worth-the-price?>. >> >> This Australian site >> <https://cleannrg.com.au/the-real-cost-of-teslas-powerwall-battery-storage/> >> seems to suggest that a powerwall save A$3000 a year, but the initial >> cost is A$20000. Doesn't that make the payback time 6 - 7 years rather >> than just a couple? > > Seems to me that utilities can store energy more efficiently than > individuals can in their garage. > > Same for solar panels. Twaddle. The whole point about solar panel and lithium batteries is that they are modular. Aggregating a lot of them in one spot doesn't make them any more or less "efficient". -- Bill Sloman, Sydney