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Subject: Re: Disc's without power
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 06:33:01 -0400
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On 4/30/2025 2:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>
>> Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms
>> of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put
>> the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?

HE isn't saying you don't have a problem, dumbass, he's saying it 
wouldn'tbe for the reasons you described.

>>
> To get a noticeable reduction in power from disks by being misaligned let
> alone as significant as you said would require a massive amount of
> misalignment, and frankly would bind the rotor well before that point.

true. and the brakes might not perform as well but there would still be 
plenty of power.

> 
> Noise and lack of power are absolutely indicative of pads that are
> contaminated, which is disks one real weakness, do need to be much more
> careful about oils near them, unlike rim brakes.

Tommy has repeated complained in the last few months about challenges 
bleeding the brakes. The more likely scenario is that he has air in the 
line.

> 
>> That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated their
>> software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a
>> major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in
>> average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't
>> change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be
>> correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
>> obviously are not in an ideal world.
>>
>>
>>
> I have absolutely the same Garmin by all means find the Garmin update on
> their website! You will not as like a few things you’re confabulating
> stuff.

If it were true that an update not only didn't change the displayed 
version but also resulted in a 2 mph increase in peoples average speeds, 
it would have been all over the Garmin user forums.

News flash, it isn't. There isn't a company on the planet with any even 
halfway reasonable reputation that pushes updates with no version 
change. Maybe tommy in his illustrious career made software/firmware 
changes and released the code without changing the revision, but such 
practices are limited to only the hackiest of hacks or those with 
malicious intent. Tommy isn't smart enough to release workable code with 
malicious intent.

What happened was tommy figured out how to enable the autostop function 
(after repeatedly insisting there was no such feature). This would 
inherently increase the average speed. Of course, tommy would never 
admit that he was using it wrong, only that some other mystical event 
outside the realm of temporal possibilities (such as a riding a dent out 
of his top tube) was responsible.

What's going to happen is that tommy will report back that there was 
some sort of severe misalignment of the caliper mount and that the shop 
had to re-machine the surface, Or maybe the caliper itself had some sort 
of manufacturing defect where they drilled the mount incorrectly, or 
maybe he the pads were the wrong ones even though they were marked with 
the correct part number, and everything works now. IOW - it will never 
be tommy's fault. If it is a case of the more likely scenario where he 
didn't bleed them properly, he would never admit it.