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From: "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Microsoft admits 30% of code not written by humans
Date: Fri, 2 May 2025 10:50:17 -0400
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Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 5/2/2025 1:52 AM, ...winston wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4/30/2025 9:19 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-30 19:27, knuttle wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That has been obvious since the DOS days
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe they had the processing power for an AI
>>>> to produce code for them. However, if you have any evidence,
>>>> I'd love to see it.
>>>
>>> https://www.wired.com/story/minecraft-ai-code-microsoft/
>>>
>>>      "Microsoft’s Copilot was made available to a limited number of testers
>>>       in June 2021 and is now being used by over 10,000 developers who are
>>>       producing, on average, around 35 percent of their code in popular
>>>       languages like Python and Java using Copilot, Microsoft says. The
>>>       company plans to make Copilot available for anyone to download this summer.
>>>       To build something like the Minecraft bot, developers would need to work
>>>       with the underlying AI model, Codex.
>>>
>>>       Both Codex and Copilot have stirred up some anxiety among developers,
>>>       who fear they could be automated out of a job. The Minecraft demo
>>>       could inspire similar concerns. But Scott says the feedback on Copilot
>>>       has been largely positive, suggesting that it simply automates more
>>>       tedious coding tasks. “If you talk to a developer who actually uses a
>>>       Copilot, they'll say ‘this is such a great tool,’” he says.
>>>
>>> I guess we'll know, when the first wave of layoffs start :-)
>>>
>>> But when your rich uncle pays for all the electricity,
>>> the balance sheet for this approach does not matter.
>>> I drive a Cadillac to the dump... "because the roads are
>>> so bad there".
>>>
>>>      Paul
>>>
>> Fyi...
>>   AI internally was in use in specific areas around 2014 and in development a few years earlier - primarily two platforms - [1]Cortana and [2]Windows(the former based on existing data local and cloud based, the latter a tool to write code for verification of human written or existing code). Additionally AI at the same time had some penetration in speech, gaming, and data(feedback - known and/or reported issues)analysis.
>>   - a case could even be made for even earlier use(circa 2009) where machine learning was in use for [3]Windows Live Search based on and from acquisitions that developed tools using semantic/natural language search engines providing target answers to user questions(instead of keyword search). Not too distant from the more common 'Chat-AI' in use today.
>>
>> All[1,2,3] had their own internal codenames independent of the respective platform codenames.
>>
>> i.e. there's more history to be seen than publicly broadcast or spun with marketing terms.
>>
>> It would be a stretch(leap of faith/pipe dream/ignorance) to claim that replacing humans, support, sales, software development with AI code during the DOS days....though that earlier comment did have its humorous benefit.
>>
> 
> DirectML/ONNX started about four years ago.
> 
> Neural Networks (nn, cnn, dnn) started a long time
> ago. But were noteworthy for the difficulty of
> translating a "problem", into a solution. One of our
> USENETters was an nn developer, and vended his own
> product. But he stopped showing up some years ago
> (correctly concluding we weren't a market).
> 
> The past efforts were nothing like the ones today.
> The models were smaller, but they didn't run any faster.
> 
> While articles like this, document the front end, the
> info on the cobbled-together back ends of these schemes
> are quite different. There's a lot of bailing wire and
> binder twine back there.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortana_%28virtual_assistant%29
> 
> The good thing about the gold rush, is it is enough of
> a technical achievement, to get people thinking about
> how to manage it, how to make law for it. Who knows,
> we might be slightly better prepared, when the real
> breakthrough comes into being. LLM is not that thing.
> 
>     Paul
> 
> 

:)
Quite a bit of everything ever written has/had a lot of bailing wire and 
binder twine in the creation process
  - Code(os), books(novels[the most notable - any 'Bible'), laws, 
statutes, tariffs<g>,....

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