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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal Alien Escape ICE
Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 18:33:38 -0000 (UTC)
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On May 3, 2025 at 10:58:17 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 5/3/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  On May 3, 2025 at 8:30:06 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 5/3/2025 9:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>    You are attempting to draw a distinction with no difference.  You
>>>>    think that, because she's a judge, she can disregard a legal warrant
>>>>    based solely on her personal opinion of it.
>>> 
>>>  Again... she allegedly believed the warrant invalid, not as a matter of
>>>  "personal opinion" but as one of fact.
>>  
>>  Again, her personal belief is of no more consequence than any other random
>>  person on the street. This wasn't occurring in her courtroom and was not
>>  within her jurisdiction as a judge.
>>  
>>  If some random citizen walked up to ICE agents in the middle of an operation
>>  in their neighborhood and demanded to see the warrant (and assuming they
>>  showed it to humor him), his opinion that it isn't valid would make
>> absolutely
>>  no difference and have no relevance to ICE's actions. They'd just say "Okay,
>>  buddy, whatever. Now go away or you'll be arrested for obstruction and
>>  interference."
>>  
>>  This judge is just a random citizen with regard to a federal ICE operation.
>>  Her status as a state court judge gives her no special authority or
>>  jurisdiction to declare warrants valid or invalid and have that somehow
>> affect
>>  what ICE is doing. They are free to completely ignore her, just as they
>> would
>>  that guy I described above and if she takes further action to frustrate or
>>  impede their operation, she goes to jail.
> 
> In this example, I'm ascribing to her "personal belief" no more legal 
> authority than I would to yours. The (hypothetical) fact is that she 
> *believed* the warrant invalid, and acted accordingly, as you would.

Even if I thought they were operating with bad paper, I would no more take
active measures to interfere in an ICE operation than I would litigate my case
on the side of the road with a cop during a traffic stop.

In both instances, I would recognize that issues like the validity of warrants
and whether I came to a complete stop or not are matters for a court to
decide, not for me to take into my own hands at the scene.