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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal
 Alien Escape ICE
Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 15:17:54 -0400
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On 5/3/2025 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On May 3, 2025 at 10:58:17 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/3/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   On May 3, 2025 at 8:30:06 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 5/3/2025 9:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     You are attempting to draw a distinction with no difference.  You
>>>>>     think that, because she's a judge, she can disregard a legal warrant
>>>>>     based solely on her personal opinion of it.
>>>>
>>>>   Again... she allegedly believed the warrant invalid, not as a matter of
>>>>   "personal opinion" but as one of fact.
>>>   
>>>   Again, her personal belief is of no more consequence than any other random
>>>   person on the street. This wasn't occurring in her courtroom and was not
>>>   within her jurisdiction as a judge.
>>>   
>>>   If some random citizen walked up to ICE agents in the middle of an operation
>>>   in their neighborhood and demanded to see the warrant (and assuming they
>>>   showed it to humor him), his opinion that it isn't valid would make
>>> absolutely
>>>   no difference and have no relevance to ICE's actions. They'd just say "Okay,
>>>   buddy, whatever. Now go away or you'll be arrested for obstruction and
>>>   interference."
>>>   
>>>   This judge is just a random citizen with regard to a federal ICE operation.
>>>   Her status as a state court judge gives her no special authority or
>>>   jurisdiction to declare warrants valid or invalid and have that somehow
>>> affect
>>>   what ICE is doing. They are free to completely ignore her, just as they
>>> would
>>>   that guy I described above and if she takes further action to frustrate or
>>>   impede their operation, she goes to jail.
>>
>> In this example, I'm ascribing to her "personal belief" no more legal
>> authority than I would to yours. The (hypothetical) fact is that she
>> *believed* the warrant invalid, and acted accordingly, as you would.
> 
> Even if I thought they were operating with bad paper, I would no more take
> active measures to interfere in an ICE operation than I would litigate my case
> on the side of the road with a cop during a traffic stop.
> 
> In both instances, I would recognize that issues like the validity of warrants
> and whether I came to a complete stop or not are matters for a court to
> decide, not for me to take into my own hands at the scene.

But if, for whatever reason, considerable damage would be done by a 
successful apprehension, you might be more stinting in your cooperation.