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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Australia Bans Prayers for Troons-- Up to 5 Years in Prison for
 Unauthorized Praying
Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 16:05:01 -0400
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On 5/3/2025 3:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On May 3, 2025 at 12:25:54 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/3/2025 2:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   On May 3, 2025 at 11:12:26 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 5/3/2025 1:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>     On May 3, 2025 at 8:47:26 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>>     On 5/3/2025 1:29 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        The scope of this law is so broad, you could probably make a prima
>>>>>>> facie
>>>>>>>     claim
>>>>>>>       that I'm violating it right now by making this post if someone in New
>>>>>>>   South
>>>>>>>       Wales were to read it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     "Conversion therapy" is outlawed in NSW. And, apparently, someone there
>>>>>>     believes in the power of prayer to effect it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     This is an argument about the material efficacy of religious belief.
>>>>>     
>>>>>     So why wouldn't a gender activist be equally guilty for encouraging
>>>>> someone
>>>>>   to
>>>>>     transition, then? That's every bit the equivalent of praying for them
>>>>> *not*
>>>>>   to
>>>>>     transition and could likely shown to be more effective since it has the
>>>>>   power
>>>>>     of the state reinforcing it.
>>>>
>>>>   I take as a given that "conversion therapy" is illegal in NSW.  But I
>>>>   don't know if its definition includes, e.g., dick-lopping, etc. .
>>>   
>>>   The relevant part of the law says, "...with the intent to change or suppress
>>>   their sexuality or gender identity".
>>>   
>>>   A gender activist who encourages someone to transition is engaging in
>>>   counseling with the intent to change that person's gender identity. So why
>>>   would they not be guilty of violating this law?
>>
>> Because 'encouragement' (i.e., advice) is part of normal (i.e.,
>> consensual) discourse ...whereas 'prayer' goes beyond advice by invoking
>> the unilateral intercession of an all-powerful despot.
> 
> Not necessarily. Depending on one's theology, prayer doesn't directly call for
> magic from an omnipotent sky-tyrant.
> 
> Is Australia going to be sorting out who gets prosecuted for unlawful prayer
> and who doesn't on the basis of each religion's specific mythology?

The principles and practice of religion are rife with inconsistencies?

Say it ain't so...