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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: Australia Bans Prayers for Troons-- Up to 5 Years in Prison for Unauthorized Praying
Date: Sun, 4 May 2025 14:56:20 -0000 (UTC)
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Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>May 3, 2025 at 10:32:38 AM PDT, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>:

>>>>. . . 

>>>Then the UK isn't a free society given that a woman was arrested for 
>>>praying silently near an abortion clinic.

>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Td5GHNQIgY [5 minutes]

>>Yes, they have these "protected zones", mostly around abortion clinics,
>>where all free speech is suspended and you can be arrested for just
>>existing there if the police determine your presence is anti-abortion
>>in nature. They've even told people that they can be arrested in their
>>own homes if their homes fall within one of the zones and they do or
>>say anything that can be considered opposition to abortion.

>>Regarding the clips I've seen of people who have been arrested for praying
>>in one of these zones, my question would be if they're doing it silently,
>>how do the police know if they're praying or just going over the week's
>>grocery list in their head? I don't know how burdens of proof work in
>>England, but I would assume they're at least similar to the U.S. in
>>that the government has the burden to prove its case, so how does the
>>government prove the person was engaged in anti-abortion prayer? Does
>>the government now claim to have the ability to read minds?

>I think Rhino's point is well taken.

>As to your point, it's the unwritten constitution aspect to common law.
>If they had the equivalent of probable cause in the past, then any new law
>criminalizing what we'd consider to be ordinary behavior within liberty
>we take for granted in America cannot help but erode rights at arrest.

>This is a thought crime which, by its very nature, one cannot be
>arrested for with probable cause.

>Phrasing it in the way we speak of illiberal policing right here on
>Usenet, moviePig has already won.

Should we be concerned about other countries? Trump won't commit to due
process. This was from a report of his interview with Meet the Press.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-due-process-canada-greenland-military-action-8da3e853b6cec944ec373fae4d317ac4

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-rejects-concerns-prices-economic-uncertainty-defends-agenda-rcna203512