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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Grand Apagon - Electricity (not) in Spain Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 04:47:09 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <vvb13f$13cmu$1@dont-email.me> References: <vuqgef$1of93$1@dont-email.me> <vuqogf$1vlqj$1@dont-email.me> <vuqsdb$2497h$1@dont-email.me> <vusgmj$3lvur$2@dont-email.me> <1rbln2a.1frrgzg19gl8fgN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <vuvter$2p1lu$1@dont-email.me> <1rbnzz7.115dcvm12d1xs0N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <vv0bp3$34itv$3@dont-email.me> <vv25ad$r3ti$1@dont-email.me> <7gehelxbkf.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <6hcc1k57rk5plu40u8l8qd1oq471hmnqip@4ax.com> <vv5jdv$1pp$1@dont-email.me> <0mnc1ktrd7v0qvpi062rf5lbemp6f4pk8a@4ax.com> <vv5q3r$647n$1@dont-email.me> <vv6vjh$19ddn$2@dont-email.me> <ff3kelxmm6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vv8i6e$2o41i$1@dont-email.me> <6r0lelx0c8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vv990t$3gsv4$1@dont-email.me> <kvkmelxf9k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <6cgh1k9mkuae63gn4dd8ej49o3au4m0l67@4ax.com> <1rbvfbs.10nr9w6pkdoawN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 20:47:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="87d0912c3bf2ac78876ff180ea6eca0e"; logging-data="1159902"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+wHWOg0wss4nBl+r6YiVYCMIDsDwsKQOU=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:5I8/x9By6zhjt/vwX7kkz42ZiIY= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250505-4, 5/5/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <1rbvfbs.10nr9w6pkdoawN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> Bytes: 3014 On 6/05/2025 2:35 am, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: > > [...] >> A few days without >> power won't kill many people. > > It will in the UK if all the 'phones need mains power (either at the > subscribers' premises or at the masts). Nobody will be able to call out > the emergency services. How many deaths per day will that be if nobody > can contact the police, fire brigade or ambulance service? Even politicians can be relied on to be less stupid than that. Admittedly they were stupid enough to moth-ball the natural gas storage set-up which let you store enough natural gas to keep the fast-start gas-turbine generators running for a couple of days, just before Russian gas got cut off. In the renewable future that storage will probably be repurposed to store electrolytic hydrogen - you only get back about 25% of the energy you used to make the hydrogen, but emergency back-up don't have to be all the cheap - they don't get used all that often. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney