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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 14:22:58 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <vvb36j$15u5b$2@dont-email.me> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <vva50q$24vr$1@news.muc.de> <vvalp5$o6v5$2@dont-email.me> <vvanjf$1fho$1@news.muc.de> <vvaske$vta4$1@dont-email.me> <vvavfg$1fho$2@news.muc.de> <vvb0un$vtiu$6@dont-email.me> <vvb1dd$1fho$3@news.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 21:22:59 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0a6320ec149f030cd98ca15e4d2d5e5f"; logging-data="1243307"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+eD64XPtBAwosQIkH3bDLl" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:leOi+hhwY32FPoAekiFz8cYu+6c= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250505-4, 5/5/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <vvb1dd$1fho$3@news.muc.de> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US On 5/5/2025 1:52 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 5/5/2025 1:19 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 5/5/2025 11:05 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > [ .... ] > >>>>> Follow the details of the proof of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, and >>>>> apply them to your "system". That will give you your counter example. > > >>>> My system does not do "provable" instead it does "provably true". > >>> I don't know anything about your "system" and I don't care. If it's a >>> formal system with anything above minimal capabilities, Gödel's Theorem >>> applies to it, and the "system" will be incomplete (in Gödel's sense). > > >> I reformulate the entire notion of "formal system" >> so that undecidability ceases to be possible. > > Liar. That is impossible. > > [ Irrelevant nonsense snipped. ] > When you start with truth and only apply truth preserving operations then you necessarily end up with truth. Is that too difficult for you? >> -- >> Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer