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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Halting Problem: What Constitutes Pathological Input Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 14:38:23 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <vvb43f$15u5b$4@dont-email.me> References: <GE4SP.47558$VBab.42930@fx08.ams4> <vvamqc$o6v5$4@dont-email.me> <vvan7q$o4v0$1@dont-email.me> <ts5SP.113145$_Npd.41800@fx01.ams4> <vvat0g$vtiu$1@dont-email.me> <vvatf3$o4v0$3@dont-email.me> <vvaut0$vtiu$4@dont-email.me> <vvav6o$o4v0$4@dont-email.me> <vvb329$15u5b$1@dont-email.me> <vvb37g$1451r$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 21:38:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0a6320ec149f030cd98ca15e4d2d5e5f"; logging-data="1243307"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/9sFKdLE6+ay+ubmH9f2t8" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xJol1c1w/Z63pz8aFJdxabLVpGc= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250505-4, 5/5/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <vvb37g$1451r$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2633 On 5/5/2025 2:23 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 05/05/2025 20:20, olcott wrote: >> Is "halts" the correct answer for H to return? NO >> Is "does not halt" the correct answer for H to return? NO >> Both Boolean return values are the wrong answer > > Or to put it another way, the answer is undecidable, QED. > > See? You got there in the end. > Is this sentence true or false: "What time is it?" is also "undecidable" because it is not a proposition having a truth value. Is this sentence true or false: "This sentence is untrue." is also "undecidable" because it is not a semantically sound proposition having a truth value. Can Carol correctly answer “no” to this (yes/no) question? Both Yes and No are the wrong answer proving that the question is incorrect when the context of who is asked is understood to be a linguistically required aspect of the full meaning of the question. Computer Science Professor Eric Hehner PhD paper: https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hehner/OSS.pdf Credit goes to Richard Damon for finding the loophole in the original question. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer