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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Halting Problem: What Constitutes Pathological Input Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 15:37:11 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vvdrtn$3n3t4$3@dont-email.me> References: <GE4SP.47558$VBab.42930@fx08.ams4> <vvatf3$o4v0$3@dont-email.me> <vvaut0$vtiu$4@dont-email.me> <vvav6o$o4v0$4@dont-email.me> <vvb329$15u5b$1@dont-email.me> <vvb37g$1451r$1@dont-email.me> <vvb43f$15u5b$4@dont-email.me> <vvb4ok$o4v0$9@dont-email.me> <vvb52g$15u5b$6@dont-email.me> <vvb5ca$o4v0$10@dont-email.me> <vvb5vp$15u5b$7@dont-email.me> <vvb675$o4v0$11@dont-email.me> <vvb9d7$1av94$3@dont-email.me> <vvbani$1b6l1$1@dont-email.me> <vvbb6s$1av94$4@dont-email.me> <vvbcb3$1b6l1$2@dont-email.me> <vvbe0j$1av94$8@dont-email.me> <vvbecc$1b6l1$6@dont-email.me> <vvbhk0$1ijna$1@dont-email.me> <vvbjjg$1kegb$1@dont-email.me> <vvbk93$1l4cf$1@dont-email.me> <vvbkft$1kegb$4@dont-email.me> <vvbl71$1ljaj$1@dont-email.me> <vvbma3$1kegb$5@dont-email.me> <vvbmp0$1ljaj$2@dont-email.me> <vvbqd5$1tr5o$1@dont-email.me> <vvbrha$1us1f$1@dont-email.me> <b5dffdb99fdbfe0cd74914de4d51abe0aa439e7d@i2pn2.org> <vvdj0r$3cbpq$9@dont-email.me> <db8999eda88b9152608e58380b8ef7d00862dbaa@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 22:37:12 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4d3877b25e07ae675aebb853b858fd37"; logging-data="3903396"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Oiam85TXZR+G1H6ddORre" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:K93WX53vQ1SSqsBct7JT+1DB+Ao= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250506-6, 5/6/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <db8999eda88b9152608e58380b8ef7d00862dbaa@i2pn2.org> On 5/6/2025 3:22 PM, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 06 May 2025 13:05:15 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 5/6/2025 5:59 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 5/5/25 10:18 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/5/2025 8:59 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>> On 5/5/2025 8:57 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 5/5/2025 7:49 PM, dbush wrote: > >>>>>>>> DO COMPUTE THAT THE INPUT IS NON-HALTING IFF (if and only if) the >>>>>>>> mapping FROM INPUTS IS COMPUTED. >>>>>>> i.e. it is found to map something other than the above function >>>>>>> which is a contradiction. >>>>>> The above function VIOLATES COMPUTER SCIENCE. You make no attempt to >>>>>> show how my claim THAT IT VIOLATES COMPUTER SCIENCE IS INCORRECT you >>>>>> simply take that same quote from a computer science textbook as the >>>>>> infallible word-of-God. > What does it violate? > >>>>> All you are doing is showing that you don't understand proof by >>>>> contradiction, >>>> Not at all. The COMPUTER SCIENCE of your requirements IS WRONG! >>> No, YOU don't understand what Computer Science actually is talking >>> about. >> Every function computed by a model of computation must apply a specific >> sequence of steps that are specified by the model to the actual finite >> string input. > You are very confused. An algorithm or program computes a function. > Nothing computes a function unless it applies a specific set of rules to its actual input to derive its output. Anything that ignores its input is not computing a function. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer