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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: Climate Remediation Engineering - Size of Problem
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 09:41:18 +0200
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On 5/7/25 00:56, john larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 6 May 2025 23:26:56 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/6/25 22:40, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 6 May 2025 21:14:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/6/25 21:09, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 6 May 2025 20:38:17 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/6/25 18:47, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2025 20:06:25 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/4/2025 8:48 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> For some time, I've been following the debate on Climate Change and
>>>>>>>>> the back and forth on the practicality of removing enough carbon
>>>>>>>>> dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere, soon enough to matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What constitutes "soon enough to matter"?  To who?  What?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It took a long time to dig this hole, why would you think
>>>>>>>> it would be easy/quick/inexpensive to FILL it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We somehow managed to live with a ban on CFCs (ozone hole).  And,
>>>>>>>> emission controls on automobiles (smog, acid rain, etc.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One just has to decide there is value in "fixing" these (man-made)
>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heed Genesis 2:15, christians!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are still a billion dirt-poor people in the world, without
>>>>>>> electricity and food insecure. They need energy, transport, and food,
>>>>>>> all generating or using CO2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Long-term, prosperous people reduce their birth rates. I expect that
>>>>>>> in a few hundred years Earth will have maybe 2 billion healthy,
>>>>>>> literate, peaceful people and CO2 will be around 600 PPM, ideal for
>>>>>>> trees and crops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If only, but I don't believe we'll get there. People are far too
>>>>>> bellicose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>
>>>>> We have come an enormous way in the last 1000 years, and in the last
>>>>> 300. I expect continued progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> Races and languages, the basis of tribal warfare, are gradually
>>>>> merging. Around here every human critter that you can imagine seems to
>>>>> be friends and lovers and parents with every other. That has to
>>>>> continue.
>>>>
>>>> Religious and political convictions rather seem to diverge increasingly.
>>>> The chasm between the richest and poorest grows ever wider.
>>>
>>> But the fraction of the population that is super-poor keeps declining.
>>>
>>> Having some rich people around is OK. Having super-poor ones isn't.
>>>
>>> Most rich people have their wealth in stock shares, just bits on a
>>> drive somewhere. A billionaire doesn't eat a million times as much as
>>> the average person.
>>>
>>>
>>>> We're far
>>> >from living in harmony. I don't expect we ever will.
>>>
>>> Things keep getting better.
>>
>> You sound like Trump.
>>
>> Jeroen Belleman
> 
> Thanks for the compliment.

It wasn't intended as one. The guy is deluded, crazy and dangerous.

> 
> Read about life in 1900, before washing machines and antibiotics. Or
> 1500, with average life spans around 30. People had lots of kids and
> most died young.
> 
> You think progress has stopped?
> 
> The really gigantic progress in the next few hundred years will be in
> biology.
> 

Yes, I believe so too.

Jeroen Belleman