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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> Newsgroups: rec.puzzles Subject: Re: How to Make Cisterns Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 09:25:15 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: <vvf8tr$t9bn$2@dont-email.me> References: <vv4iua$31980$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 11:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="05f2f80c6360466768a6e48cb1d0b0c4"; logging-data="959863"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19VFIJpDODtg08cTo3o/8sQ" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba git@gitlab.gnome.org:GNOME/pan.git) Cancel-Lock: sha1:vklxJrtsFw0I+BJvryaRe9fnSPw= On Sat, 3 May 2025 08:08:42 -0000 (UTC), David Entwistle wrote: > The puzzle is what size should the cut out pieces be, such that the > cistern will hold the greatest possible quantity of water? ANSWER NSWER SWER WER ER R I hope this is correct - it's been a while since I did any mathematics. It is good to have a refresher... As the square sheet of zinc has side length one metre, then, if the length of each of of the cut-outs is h, then the dimensions of the final cistern are (1 - 2h), (1 - 2h) and h. The volume (V) is the product of dimensions. Multiplying out we get: V = 4h^3 - 4h^2 + h + 0 To find the maximum volume we can differentiate and set dV/dh to zero. These are the points where volume does not change with a change in the value of h. These may be maxima, minima, or points of inflection. dV/dh = 12h^2 - 8h + 1 Setting dV/dh to zero gives: 12h^2 -8h + 1 = 0 Factorizing: (6h - 1)(2h - 1) = 0 So dV/dh = 0 when h = 1/6, or when h = 1/2. We can determine whether each point is the maxima, minima or point of inflection by examining the curve, looking at points either side of the point, or using the second derivative. h = 1/6 (0.1667 m) is the local maxima in the range 0 < h< 1/2. The volume at that point is given by: V = 4(1/6)^3 - 4(1/6)^2 + 1/6 This simplifies to: V = 2/27 That's roughly 0.074 cubic metres. -- David Entwistle