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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Halting Problem: What Constitutes Pathological Input
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 16:21:57 -0500
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On 5/7/2025 4:10 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 5/7/2025 5:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/7/2025 3:53 PM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 5/7/2025 4:41 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/7/2025 3:24 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Tue, 06 May 2025 13:40:16 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 5/6/2025 10:53 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Tue, 06 May 2025 10:29:59 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 5/6/2025 4:35 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-05 17:37:20 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The above example is category error because it asks HHH(DD) to
>>>>>>>>>> report on the direct execution of DD() and the input to HHH
>>>>>>>>>> specifies a different sequence of steps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it does not. The input is DD specifides exactly the same 
>>>>>>>>> sequence
>>>>>>>>> of steps as DD. HHH just answers about a different sequence of 
>>>>>>>>> steps
>>>>>>>>> instead of the the seqeunce specified by its input.
>>>>>>> As agreed to below:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 
>>>>>>>> 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>>>        If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>>>>>>        until H correctly determines that its simulated D *would 
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>        stop running unless aborted* then
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *input D* is the actual input *would never stop running unless
>>>>>>>> aborted* is the hypothetical H/D pair where H does not abort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> H should simulate its actual input D that calls the aborting H, 
>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>> hypothetical version of D that calls a pure simulator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> *would never stop running unless aborted*
>>>>>> refers to the same HHH that DD calls yet this hypothetical HHH 
>>>>>> does not
>>>>>> abort.
>>>>> Then it is not the same HHH.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is the exact same HHH/DD pair except that this
>>>> hypothetical HHH never aborts.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> You cannot possibly show the exact execution trace where DD is
>>>>>>>> correctly emulated by HHH and this emulated DD reaches past its own
>>>>>>>> machine address [0000213c].
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duh, no simulator can simulate itself correctly. But HHH1 can 
>>>>>>> simulate
>>>>>>> DD/HHH.
>>>>>> HHH does simulate itself correctly yet must create a separate process
>>>>>> context for each recursive emulation.
>>>>>> Each process context has its own stack and set of virtual registers.
>>>>
>>>>> No, HHH simulates only one program. 
>>>>
>>>> HHH correctly emulates DD
>>>
>>>
>>> A lie, as you have admitted otherwise on the record:
>>>
>>
>> AS I HAVE SAID HUNDREDS OF TIMES AND YOU DISHONESTLY IGNORE
>> Correct emulation is defined as DD is emulated by
>> HHH according to the rules of the x86 language.
>>
> 
> 
> Which it doesn't do, as you have admitted on the record:
> 

Liar
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