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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: repairs and obsolescence ish
Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 14:02:03 -0400
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On 5/8/2025 12:14 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:55:10 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/7/2025 8:08 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 May 2025 18:36:05 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed May 7 09:38:45 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>>>>> On 7 May 2025 00:17:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rather depends on the how and the why, I believe has been a push back by
>>>>>> consumers for example with car dashboards in that while screens and so on
>>>>>> are fun, they?d like some buttons still please and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is hope for push buttons, in the name of safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rejoice! Carmakers Are Embracing Physical Buttons Again
>>>>> Amazingly, reaction times using screens while driving are worse than
>>>>> being drunk or high - no wonder 90 percent of drivers hate using
>>>>> touchscreens in cars. Finally the auto industry is coming to its
>>>>> senses."
>>>>> <https://www.wired.com/story/why-car-brands-are-finally-switching-back-to-buttons/>
>>>>> "Automakers that nest key controls deep in touchscreen menus forcing
>>>>> motorists to drive eyes-down rather than concentrate on the road ahead
>>>>> may have their non-US safety ratings clipped next year."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but you'll need a Wired Magazine subscription to read the
>>>>> entire article.  If you don't want a subscription, you might find the
>>>>> reader comments interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my never humble opinion, buttons, touch screens, haptic feedback,
>>>>> voice control, gestures, sign language and AI all have their good and
>>>>> bad points.  The trick is to attach numbers (fatality rate, accident
>>>>> rate, cost, fashion, etc) to the various schemes and settle on the
>>>>> least disgusting and most tolerable method.
>>>
>>>> Liebermann, how many touch screen cars do you have?
>>>
>>> None.  Why do you ask?
>>>
>>> Did any of these cars use manual push buttons and switches?
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
>>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
>>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
>>> properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"
>>> If these conventional controls were at least partly responsible for
>>> your 4 car wrecks, you should try driving a car with a touch screen to
>>> see if that improves your safety record.
>>
>> AFAIK he's still driving a car with no touch screen.
> 
> Tom claimed to have at least 3 different models of Ford Taurus or
> Taurus-X, some of which may have had an early model (2007 and up) Ford
> SYNC system:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sync>
> or an aftermarket touch screen:
> "Ford Taurus touchscreens"
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=ford%20taurus%20touchscreen&udm=2>
> 
> Much depends on determining the exact year of the 4 vehicles that Tom
> had wrecked:
> (Aug 16, 2023)
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/AakEwPY_PTw/m/SkzXdWPDAQAJ>
> "I don't see how he could drive the 2012 Taurus in 2017 and in 2022 (5
> years later) be driving a 2008 Taurus X, unless he first destroyed the
> 2012 Taurus."

That doesn't explain the Kia Soul in his driveway (as far back as 2018 
according to google street view).

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