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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: repairs and obsolescence ish Date: Thu, 8 May 2025 20:03:39 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <vvjgos$291sq$1@dont-email.me> References: <m7rpgeFsq0kU1@mid.individual.net> <vvbdfg$1cl75$4@dont-email.me> <m7vn46FhgomU1@mid.individual.net> <q9bl1klemcrnidgfs2g6m6r4e1tmpqvv54@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 02:03:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="00b5c156d3d353e87813a112223e5749"; logging-data="2394010"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18kQgWa7Qe94qGE5T0seCV7Rp0CmNy+Xhc=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wzX7runFdICiQ03D4jedpfTHSao= In-Reply-To: <q9bl1klemcrnidgfs2g6m6r4e1tmpqvv54@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US On 5/7/2025 12:38 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On 7 May 2025 00:17:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: > >> Rather depends on the how and the why, I believe has been a push back by >> consumers for example with car dashboards in that while screens and so on >> are fun, they’d like some buttons still please and so on. > > There is hope for push buttons, in the name of safety. > > "Rejoice! Carmakers Are Embracing Physical Buttons Again > Amazingly, reaction times using screens while driving are worse than > being drunk or high - no wonder 90 percent of drivers hate using > touchscreens in cars. Finally the auto industry is coming to its > senses." > <https://www.wired.com/story/why-car-brands-are-finally-switching-back-to-buttons/> > "Automakers that nest key controls deep in touchscreen menus forcing > motorists to drive eyes-down rather than concentrate on the road ahead > may have their non-US safety ratings clipped next year." > > Sorry, but you'll need a Wired Magazine subscription to read the > entire article. If you don't want a subscription, you might find the > reader comments interesting. > > In my never humble opinion, buttons, touch screens, haptic feedback, > voice control, gestures, sign language and AI all have their good and > bad points. The trick is to attach numbers (fatality rate, accident > rate, cost, fashion, etc) to the various schemes and settle on the > least disgusting and most tolerable method. I greatly prefer physical buttons, switches, etc. while driving. Fortunately my EV mostly uses those for common functions; but there's still a problem. Many switches are flat, low profile and all in a dense row. Even if I did memorize that something like "Defrost" was the third one from the left, it would be difficult to locate it by touch. A possible solution would be switches with covers, etc. molded in different shapes that gave a clue about their function. I'm reminded of the increase in airplane safety (in WW2, IIRC) when the pilot's lever for "flaps" was shaped like a wing cross section. The adjacent lever for "landing gear" was shaped like a wheel. What I eventually did was get a pack of ~5mm self adhesive hemispherical rubber bumpers. I stuck those on certain buttons, the ones I push most often, so I could find them by touch. It was a big improvement. -- - Frank Krygowski